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    The palestinian nationality and its ideals

    “The palestinian nationality and its ideals” — an echo by Susana Huler

    This meeting held in Jerusalem on the theme: “The palestinian nationality and its ideals ”was totally absorbing and not long enough as the speaker aroused many thoughts and emotions we wanted to talk about with him. His own “inner light” guides Hillel Cohen, as a speaker and a writer. He neither hides his own feelings nor is ashamed of not hiding them.

    He is suspicious about knowledge — which is most intriguing coming from an academic. The fantasy, he says, that one can know anything is very destructive. Although he has not clarified this point further, following our orientation by the Lacanian concept of “the real”, we can assuredly agree with him. I understood his statement as a request for humility with regard to cognition and to the fit between real-life happenings and any sort of interpretive paradigm. On the other hand, H. Cohen does not refuse to know — which means one can learn a lot from him.

    He is convinced that there is no possible understanding of what happens in Israel and Palestine without taking religion into account. For Arabs, for instance, the Jerusalem-Hebron area must be settled in order to protect the holy places from Western invasion. He made the point that even though Mecca and Medina hold precedence in Islam over Al Aksa we should not forget that in the vision of the Caliphate-to-be its capital city will be Jerusalem.

    Zionism is equally incomprehensible without its religious dimension. “After all,” H. Cohen joked, “Zionism claimed that there was no God but that it was He who promised us the Land”.

    Even Christianity has to be a factor in the equation: there would have been no Zionist movement without the British. It was their belief that the Return to Zion was a prerequisite and a precursor move of the Second Coming, which explains the Balfour Declaration and other historical events.

    Prof. Cohen’s answer to the question of Palestinian nationality and its ideals was that the question was an impossible one — a highly interesting response given the theme of the meeting he was invited to. It shed light on what he had to say throughout the evening. He is a committed advocate of modesty. He described the exaggeration, the mistake involved in power and control. Zionism seems to have no idea on how to assess its achievements correctly, with the result that it is trapped in an endless race for power and sovereignty. Here I have to say that the speaker touched on a truth that psychoanalysis has long discovered —the baneful illusions of phallic-centredness, the fata morgana, which Lacan talks about in Chapter 21 of his seminar Anxiety, and which lead to the inevitable failure of the eternal lust for power.

    I also took from this evening that there was no solution to the conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians without a will on both sides for a measured existence. An existence beyond the illusions we see in our mirror. And this reminds us of a question that intrigued Freud: how is it that one people hates another people that believes itself to be the chosen one? After all, even if you believe in God you don’t have to believe someone who claims to be God-chosen!

    Of all the issues raised by the audience I would like to mention two, which, in my opinion, opened up a debate and we had not enough time for it. Marco Mauas initiated the first on the effect of the Holocaust, a black hole in the history of humanity. Yoram Harpaz launched the second: he said that his experience of teaching in a school to Moslem pupils had taught him that irony was quite alien to their way of thinking; they thought religious texts shall be understood directly, with no idea of the twists and turns of interpretation, and so distant from people who saw themselves living in a post-modernist era. Both points indicate that we need to learn how to hold a dialogue between a discourse which follows a Master and another one sustained by people who presume not merely to be master-less but even to live in the absence of master-signifiers.



    https://www.lacanquotidien.fr/blog/w.../09/LQ-739.pdf
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    I have no idea what any of that means, and your link is to a PDF that is 26 pages in French.

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    The article posted is in plain English, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    The article posted is in plain English, though.
    The text you posted is in English. "Plain" or not, though, it is not clear what that author is talking about.

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    The author is talking about a conference/discussion titled, The Palestinian nationality and its ideals, held in Jerusalem, with Hillel Cohen.

    The text of that conference is not available unfortunately, though what is posted is a simple echo by one of the participant, Susana Huler.

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    For further reading, here's a book written by Hillel Cohen titled, (1929) Year Zero of the Israel-Palestine Conflict.

    "In late summer 1929, a countrywide outbreak of Arab-Jewish-British violence transformed the political landscape of Palestine forever. In contrast with those who point to the wars of 1948 and 1967, historian Hillel Cohen marks these bloody events as year zero of the Arab-Israeli conflict that persists today.

    The murderous violence inflicted on Jews caused a fractious—and now traumatized—community of Zionists, non-Zionists, Ashkenazim, and Mizrachim to coalesce around a unified national consciousness arrayed against an implacable Arab enemy. While the Jews unified, Arabs came to grasp the national essence of the conflict, realizing that Jews of all stripes viewed the land as belonging to the Jewish people.

    Through memory and historiography, in a manner both associative and highly calculated, Cohen traces the horrific events of August 23 to September 1 in painstaking detail. He extends his geographic and chronological reach and uses a non-linear reconstruction of events to call for a thorough reconsideration of cause and effect. Sifting through Arab and Hebrew sources—many rarely, if ever, examined before—Cohen reflects on the attitudes and perceptions of Jews and Arabs who experienced the events and, most significantly, on the memories they bequeathed to later generations. The result is a multifaceted and revealing examination of a formative series of episodes that will intrigue historians, political scientists, and others interested in understanding the essence—and the very beginning—of what has been an intractable conflict."
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    It gives me a headache trying to figure out his point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    It gives me a headache trying to figure out his point.
    Me, too. Though I suspect it is not all that kind to somebody....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Me, too. Though I suspect it is not all that kind to somebody....
    Somebody? Who do you mean? Don't be cryptic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    Somebody? Who do you mean? Don't be cryptic.
    I do not know. I still do not know what you are getting at with all that.

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