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    Trump is 100% correct. The U.S. should have no relationship of any dignity with the madmen and terrorists now in control of Israeli Arabs. We have the power to force the group to respect human rights and Israeli sovereignty, and we should use it.
    Oh what a jolly good excuse for Israelis bombing of tented people over the last days ---- you don't like Arab leaders of an occupied resistance so good let's just bomb the refugees for fun eh? Out of a refugee camp in Gaza, our evil mate Israel tells the world that they, thought rockets had been fired into no-man's land - they searched and searched but couldn't find one but just to make sure they bombed the tents anyway and ya know - bombs kill.
    In the first day of demos they shot dead 4 Palestinians - did you cheer 'whoopie another 4 rocks gone, whoopie' - Rubber bullets in Israel are normal bullets with a thin coating of rubber - their usual victims are children - as you cheer.

    Anyone - anyone at all, who is a supporter of the brutal apartheid state of Israel/Palestine is complicit in over 70 years of ethnic cleansing and genocide - they/you have no excuse, none, because the truth is staring you in the face - so we must presume that you approve of Israel's dropping white phosphorus on the children of Gaza as they walked to and from school - Gaza being a concentration camp so those children and their families had nowhere to run, nowhere to hide. Approve of Israel denying clean water to Palestinians - and even undrinkable water only being available for 12-15 per week in much of Palestine. Approve of Israel's destruction, by toxic poisons,of Palestinians crops = that 80% of Gazans have a pittance of oil and flour only. Approve of Israeli soldiers entering Palestinian homes in the middle of the night demanding to see the children, whom they either photograph or drag off to prison. Approve of Israeli ships strafing children playing football on the beach and families picnicing on their beach. Approve of Israeli terrorism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Yep. It really is just that simple.
    It was done to get votes for Moore and it backfired. Kushner better watch his back; he lied about the Saudis. That little peasant needs to be in solitary confinement for that alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    It was done to get votes for Moore and it backfired. Kushner better watch his back; he lied about the Saudis. That little peasant needs to be in solitary confinement for that alone.
    It has been on the books for years, on topic --- You may not like RT but this is Eva Bartlett -

    https://www.rt.com/op-edge/412883-pa...israel-abduct/


    How Israel came about


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    Quote Originally Posted by allegoricalfact View Post
    It has been on the books for years, on topic --- You may not like RT but this is Eva Bartlett -

    https://www.rt.com/op-edge/412883-pa...israel-abduct/


    How Israel came about

    I dont need a history lesson

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    I dont need a history lesson
    Well yes, it is very obvious that you have either never had a history lesson or that you were a terrible history student - need? Lol -

    It is a very interesting documentary - one of the best I have seen on the European Imperial duplicity which imposed East European 'Jewish' Zionism on Palestinians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegoricalfact View Post
    Well yes, it is very obvious that you have either never had a history lesson or that you were a terrible history student - need? Lol -

    It is a very interesting documentary - one of the best I have seen on the European Imperial duplicity which imposed East European 'Jewish' Zionism on Palestinians.
    You're correct that history is interesting; fascinating, actually. But it has little or no bearing on how we should act going forward. We're not returning North America to Native Americans. We're not returning Australia to Aboriginal Australians. And we're not returning Israel to the Palestinian Arabs. If Palestinian Arabs want their own country, they should work out reasonable parameters, and present Israel with a permanent treaty draft.

    If you know your history as well as you claim, you already know that no Palestinian government has ever authored a peace treaty - even a rejected one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    You're correct that history is interesting; fascinating, actually. But it has little or no bearing on how we should act going forward. We're not returning North America to Native Americans. We're not returning Australia to Aboriginal Australians. And we're not returning Israel to the Palestinian Arabs. If Palestinian Arabs want their own country, they should work out reasonable parameters, and present Israel with a permanent treaty draft.

    If you know your history as well as you claim, you already know that no Palestinian government has ever authored a peace treaty - even a rejected one.
    The call is for democracy. Are you saying that neither the US nor Australia are democracies? Yes - that is what you are, in fact, saying. You are thinking with an American head, you are not thinking with any real understanding of what the peoples of the rest of the world know and see. The American populous, as opposed to politicians, is the only one in the world which supports Israel - so you suppose the rest of us do too? We don't. It will be us, who loathe the brutal occupation, who will decide its fate, not the East European butchers of Israel.


    The colonies of past Empires won their Independence ( of sorts) South African apartheid fell. Northern Ireland gained devolved powers. Israel will be wiped from the map for the only difference between Israeli apartheid of Palestine and SA apartheid is that Israel is 1000 times more deadly, sadistic, cruel and brutal.

    The call is for a democracy in Palestine ------- and it will happen, according to Miko Peled, much sooner than we think. I believe him. There will be tribunals and 'war crime trials ( even though there has never been a war). It will happen because, as they did with Vietnam, America will wake up.

    No one is calling for the death or the exile of Zionist Israeli Jews - but a democracy in Palestine. Palestinian's life in unimaginable hard - they are all tried in Israeli Military courts, including their children. When Palestinian children are arrested, dragged from the beds in the middle of the night or just plucked from the streets - they may have no contact with anyone on the outside, including parents, for the first 3 months. they are beaten and tortures and sexually abused, forced to sign confessions in a language they do not understand - and tried in Israeli military courts.

    What peace treaties? There have never been any peace treaties offered. Please read them and then come back to us on 'total surrender and barren reservations', ethnic cleansing and genocide.

    And why do you all always refer everything to the American experience? America was built in another time - Israel is now. Denying people water - denying people food - denying people medicines - denying people building materials - building a concrete wall around a densely populated area and dropping 100s of tons of bombs on them and white phosphorous, just at the moment Israel knows all of Gaza's children are on the streets. The horrors perpetrated on Palestine by East European Zionist Jews are biblical, in proportion. But, you say, because America did it 300 years ago, that's ok.

    And history has every bearing on now - it is the bricks upon which we build.
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    Turkey is preparing to set up a Palestinian embassy in East Jerusalem...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Sampson Simpson View Post
    What's the most holy muslim site in Jerusalem? That's where Trump want to build
    Actually, Trump was quite wishy-washy in every aspect of this bullshit announcement. He specifically left open the option of Jerusalem remaining divided, allowing both Palestine and Israel to claim the city as their capital. Then he signed the waiver just as every President before him has done. His little speech has no more real world affect than did his tweet announcing that transsexuals will no longer be allowed to serve in the US military. It's just more hate speech intended to fire up his vile, immoral, bigoted base, and he couldn't care less if people are killed as a result of his moronic behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegoricalfact View Post
    The call is for democracy. Are you saying that neither the US nor Australia are democracies? Yes - that is what you are, in fact, saying. You are thinking with an American head, you are not thinking with any real understanding of what the peoples of the rest of the world know and see. The American populous, as opposed to politicians, is the only one in the world which supports Israel - so you suppose the rest of us do too? We don't. It will be us, who loathe the brutal occupation, who will decide its fate, not the East European butchers of Israel.
    Who, exactly, is calling for democracy? "Destroying Israel" is not a path to democracy. Fuck, Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza are still slaughtering gay people. That's not democracy either.

    It's very easy for those with atrocities in their past to sit on the wealth of their ancestors actions, and decry those who currently do the same thing (albeit on a FAR lesser scale). Where are you; the United Kingdom? The nation that fathered the intercontinental slave trade? Sure, the U.K. abolished slavery on their own land, and eventually ended the slave trade, but the U.K. made tremendous wealth in the process, and the benefits of that wealth are enjoyed today, so don't sit on your island, free from bordering countries, and pretend otherwise.

    If the Palestinians truly want peace, they need to present a peace treaty. Israel has done this more than once. But there has never been a peace treaty authored by the Palestinian government. Rather, they make alliances with those whose primary platform is the eradication of Israel. If they want peace, they've got a pretty fucked up way of showing it.

    And why do you all always refer everything to the American experience? America was built in another time - Israel is now. Denying people water - denying people food - denying people medicines - denying people building materials - building a concrete wall around a densely populated area and dropping 100s of tons of bombs on them and white phosphorous, just at the moment Israel knows all of Gaza's children are on the streets. The horrors perpetrated on Palestine by East European Zionist Jews are biblical, in proportion. But, you say, because America did it 300 years ago, that's ok.
    Again - If Palestinians want peace, they should make an overture. If they want to pursue the eradication of Israel, then Israel is being GENEROUS by maintaining the status quo rather than eliminating nations who would destroy them.
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