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Thread: Trump Threatens To Cut Off Aid To "Palestinians"

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    There is no country called Palestine. There isn't going to be a country called Palestine for a long time. This is the fault of the Palestinians. The Palestinians refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist and say that they must have all or nothing. Because of this, they have received the latter, nothing. Israel has been willing to have a two state solution but that isn't good enough for the Palestinians. Therefore, they are non-state and they have been given much more latitude than they should be. There is no reason for them to be allowed at the United Nations or even recognized, until they have a country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Bullshit. This is the same nonsense Nixon spouted, and all it accomplished was the deaths of 3 million people and other hideous destruction.

    The U.S. is in no danger of being cast off the world stage as irrelevant. Whatever might be the intentions of Russia or China regarding imperialism, weakening or abandoning Israel does not deter or delay them.

    HITF could it possibly do that?

    I see no value for the U.S. or Israel to belong to the UN, and if the signatory nations to NATO won't eject Turkey, then I see no value to that organization, either.

    We need to trade with Europe, of course, but we do not need to self-injure by promoting Arab terrorism in order to trade
    You want to worry about America's allies.

    Start by pressuring our government to remove Duterte from the Philippines and aiding those people to install a free, Democratic government.

    Our support for this psychopathic lunatic offends on moral grounds, but if we are selfish, the Phillippinoes have yearned for freedom for centuries now. If China offered them an alliance, they wouldn't think twice.

    How does the U.S. protect our allies, Japan and Australia, without a huge military presence based in the Philippines?
    Jews were the original "terrorists" over there. Remember Irgun and such?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    There is no country called Palestine. There isn't going to be a country called Palestine for a long time. This is the fault of the Palestinians. The Palestinians refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist and say that they must have all or nothing. Because of this, they have received the latter, nothing. Israel has been willing to have a two state solution but that isn't good enough for the Palestinians. Therefore, they are non-state and they have been given much more latitude than they should be. There is no reason for them to be allowed at the United Nations or even recognized, until they have a country.
    When did Israel show any willingness for a two state solution?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    No Ian cut off funding that feeds kids and you'll raise the hate rhetoric towards israel.
    Bullshit. Israel will provide food. These people are in no danger of starvation.

    Unlike Muslims in the non-oil producing nation of Somalia, about which Americans have no fucks to give.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    Ian both sides are wrong in the way they indoctrinate children. I don't support that and I don't support human shields. Never forget the Israelis lined up young girls to write messages on bombs before they were loaded and shot towards Lebanon. And I am not supporting Palestinians who dress up 9 month babies in bomb belts.
    Israeli soliders had little girls writing on unexploded bombs?

    I call bullshit. This sounds like antisemitic propaganda to my ear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Read the story behind that photo... the young girls had just spent days in the basement of a school, hoping that they didn't get hit by Lebanese rockets. This was the first time they'd seen sunlight. And if you locate the photo, find a translation of what the girl wrote. It wasn't anything hostile against Arabs. Or Lebanese people. It was addressed by name to Hassan Nasrallah (the head of Hezbollah), who is a valid "target" as far as the girls' messages are concerned.
    Doesn't sound like a wise move, but Israel apparently knows more about handling severe childhood trauma and raising mentally healthy adults than any other nation, ever.

    There were children in the death camps, when they were liberated. Most were sent to refugee camps and further brutalized before finally arriving in Israel. Many, maybe most, were raised on kibbutz in group settings, like orphans everywhere. Except these children grew up to be healthy, successful adults.

    Not the damaged, dangerous adults orphanages usually turn out.

    I am not going to criticize how Israel helps the kids cope with terror.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Bullshit. Israel will provide food. These people are in no danger of starvation.

    Unlike Muslims in the non-oil producing nation of Somalia, about which Americans have no fucks to give.
    I seriously doubt that. The U.N. is also providing food. I don't think your assessment is correct here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Israeli soliders had little girls writing on unexploded bombs?

    I call bullshit. This sounds like antisemitic propaganda to my ear.
    No it's true stop with the anti Semitic crap. I am not that goddamn lunatic on the other thread. I have issue with both sides when they use kids. And I don't care about context.

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    Pro-Israel liberals are mired in cognitive dissonance.

    Trump wall with Mexico evil; Israeli walls in West Bank good.

    Trump supporters are anti-Semitic; Trump supporters are rabid supporters of Israel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    I seriously doubt that. The U.N. is also providing food. I don't think your assessment is correct here.
    It is, although the situation in Somalia is complex. The war lords are using food as a weapon, and few shipments actually reach starving people.

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