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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    No it's true stop with the anti Semitic crap. I am not that goddamn lunatic on the other thread. I have issue with both sides when they use kids. And I don't care about context.
    Don't fucking dare tell me what to think or say. You are not the Mistress of Antisemitic Pain on here or anywhere else.

    Dismount that high horse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Urbanek View Post
    Pro-Israel liberals are mired in cognitive dissonance.

    Trump wall with Mexico evil; Israeli walls in West Bank good.

    Trump supporters are anti-Semitic; Trump supporters are rabid supporters of Israel.
    It's crazy making to me, trying to follow the modern American liberal songbook.

    Apparently, to you guys, only murders of Americans on American soil are worthy of consideration.

    And I am not a Trumpaloompa. I'm a good, old-fashioned pinko who opposes genocide.

    This didn't used to be a controversial POV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Read the story behind that photo... the young girls had just spent days in the basement of a school, hoping that they didn't get hit by Lebanese rockets. This was the first time they'd seen sunlight. And if you locate the photo, find a translation of what the girl wrote. It wasn't anything hostile against Arabs. Or Lebanese people. It was addressed by name to Hassan Nasrallah (the head of Hezbollah), who is a valid "target" as far as the girls' messages are concerned.
    Hezbollah is there why? To defend Lebanon from Israel. From Israeli aggression. It is a resistance movement. That is how it was basically founded. Especially to defend the Shia population, yes. But, ultimately, their whole country.

    Remember the Lebanese Civil War? Where Israel openly backed the Christian fascist Phalangist militias?

    That's a conflict Israel itself had instigated, back then. But, it continues to this day, unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Hezbollah is there why? To defend Lebanon from Israel. From Israeli aggression. It is a resistance movement. That is how it was basically founded. Especially to defend the Shia population, yes. But, ultimately, their whole country.

    Remember the Lebanese Civil War? Where Israel openly backed the Christian fascist Phalangist militias?

    That's a conflict Israel itself had instigated, back then. But, it continues to this day, unfortunately.
    Links? Not saying you're wrong, but I would like to see some reliable evidence that any of this happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    It's crazy making to me, trying to follow the modern American liberal songbook.

    Apparently, to you guys, only murders of Americans on American soil are worthy of consideration.

    And I am not a Trumpaloompa. I'm a good, old-fashioned pinko who opposes genocide.

    This didn't used to be a controversial POV.
    The Holocaust was in the 40s, in Germany and Poland. WTF does it have to do with Israel today, in 1918?

    Frankly, if you wish, I could recall a diary I once read, from an ancestor of my father, about the time, after the Reds won the Civil War, when the Cheka, the Bolshie secret police, showed up in their village. They rounded up many able bodied men, including this old man's sons, all Cossacks, all loyal to the vanquished monarchy, and marched them away, ultimately - to Solovki, the new big concentration camp in the North, the first GULag facility. They were beaten, stripped of theur clan uniforms. Many had their beards forcibly cut off, one of the worst dishonors to a Cossack in his fucking life. Many saw the Chekists defile their wives, daughters, and sisters in front of them. Their belongings were pillaged. Their land was seized from them. Most high ranking elders and community leaders were executed on the spot, as was the village priest (and the church - burned to the ground).

    Why I mention this? The head comissar in this little raiding party? His name, according to that diary: Berkovich. Yes - Jew.

    Many Jews, not necessarily religious, among the Bolsheviks back then. Many among their elites. And they did unspeakable things. They were rabid atheists and I have always thought it stupid to blame the Judaic faith for the crimes of the Bolshies (plenty do, in Russia and Ukraine, it fuels much hate towards Jews today...)

    But, if you keep going on about the Holocaust, which has little bearing here; well, I can recall the crimes these Red Jews perpetrated on my fathers people and millions and millions of others also.

    Not to mention all the Jewish oligarchs in Putin's inner circle today, like the Rotenberg brothers; helping him in his reign and in turn allowed to rob and pillage the country...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Links? Not saying you're wrong, but I would like to see some reliable evidence that any of this happened.
    For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_...atila_massacre

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Don't fucking dare tell me what to think or say. You are not the Mistress of Antisemitic Pain on here or anywhere else.

    Dismount that high horse.
    Go calm yourself. You aren't going to label me an anti Semite because I speak truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Hezbollah is there why? To defend Lebanon from Israel. From Israeli aggression. It is a resistance movement. That is how it was basically founded. Especially to defend the Shia population, yes. But, ultimately, their whole country.

    Remember the Lebanese Civil War? Where Israel openly backed the Christian fascist Phalangist militias? That's a conflict Israel itself had instigated, back then. But, it continues to this day, unfortunately.
    How it was founded is a lesson in history, perhaps. But it has nothing to do with why it exists today. Hezbollah was created 30 years ago. The Lebanese Civil War ended 25 years ago. However it was just 11 years ago that Hezbollah stared the 2006 Lebanon War by launching an unprovoked cross border raid against Israel, launching rockets at civilian towns, and attacking Israeli patrols.

    Hezbollah's motive for the attacks was never stated.
    Thanks from The Man, Ian Jeffrey and Madeline

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    In order to keep what you got, you have to have allies to help you keep what you got from the really big dogs who want everything you have.

    So you pay tribute to keep your allies stable.

    As the US relinquishes influence around world, China is investing in infrastructure. team China grows.
    If even 1% of the money went towards making what you said accurate....

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    The Holocaust was in the 40s, in Germany and Poland. WTF does it have to do with Israel today, in 1918?

    Frankly, if you wish, I could recall a diary I once read, from an ancestor of my father, about the time, after the Reds won the Civil War, when the Cheka, the Bolshie secret police, showed up in their village. They rounded up many able bodied men, including this old man's sons, all Cossacks, all loyal to the vanquished monarchy, and marched them away, ultimately - to Solovki, the new big concentration camp in the North, the first GULag facility. They were beaten, stripped of theur clan uniforms. Many had their beards forcibly cut off, one of the worst dishonors to a Cossack in his fucking life. Many saw the Chekists defile their wives, daughters, and sisters in front of them. Their belongings were pillaged. Their land was seized from them. Most high ranking elders and community leaders were executed on the spot, as was the village priest (and the church - burned to the ground).

    Why I mention this? The head comissar in this little raiding party? His name, according to that diary: Berkovich. Yes - Jew.

    Many Jews, not necessarily religious, among the Bolsheviks back then. Many among their elites. And they did unspeakable things. They were rabid atheists and I have always thought it stupid to blame the Judaic faith for the crimes of the Bolshies (plenty do, in Russia and Ukraine, it fuels much hate towards Jews today...)

    But, if you keep going on about the Holocaust, which has little bearing here; well, I can recall the crimes these Red Jews perpetrated on my fathers people and millions and millions of others also.

    Not to mention all the Jewish oligarchs in Putin's inner circle today, like the Rotenberg brothers; helping him in his reign and in turn allowed to rob and pillage the country...
    I never claimed Jews were superior human beings, sir. I am acquainted with Myer Lansky, Bugsy Seigel, Bernie Madoff, etc.

    WWII is not ancient history. If my father had lived his normal lifespan, he'd still be with us. He was a vet of the Pacific Theater, and my guess is, most adults and children who lived through WWII are still alive.

    I can't really understand your point. That the Russian Revolution involved much hideous suffering? I don't deny that. So did the Chinese revolution and the Cuban revolution. But I only know actual survivors of the Cuban revolution.

    I don't know what to do to make anyone in Eastern Europe or Russia suffer less injustice today.

    I DO know what to do to protect Israelis, and I do what I can.

    My first loyalty remains my own community, where Jews are thriving and nobody openly hates people of Eastern European descent, but my black neighbors have no justice even when their children are murdered by the police.

    I do what I can, which should not mean I am to be despised for not doing more.

    We have a killing freeze here, going into its second week. 4 homeless people have died in the cold. I have neighbors who won't do fuck all for homeless people, but who are down at the shore of Lake Erie, rescuing ducks.

    Ducks! Not as if they are an endangered species -- they just can't bear for them to suffer and do nothing.

    So, when I want to fight homelessness here, do I start by bashing my duck-loving neighbors, or the fuckweasles that run Cleveland?
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