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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    Is this really a thing? Are there Americans supporting the Iranian government and not supporting the protesters? You'd think it'd be easy to show it.
    I have no doubt. Most Americans care only what price gas is at the pump.

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    American support for the Iranian protests must go beyond rhetoric | TheHill

    I have a theory as to why American "liberals" do not line up solidly behind those in the ME who seek to advance the cause of human rights for people living in Muslim nations: because it would force them to reexamine their brainless support for the terrorists who incessantly assault Israel, and take all the fun out of making ideological housepets out of the worst terrorists on the planet today.

    It is a sad, sad, sad day in America when the citizens of other nations rise up and demand dignity and freedom, and that plea falls on deaf "liberal" ears here.

    HELP THESE PEOPLE. I don't know whether we can donate directly to them. Probably not. But AT A MINIMUM, demand the U.S. impose trade sanctions on Iran for its oppression of the protesters.

    No matter WHAT your political views might be, this is unequivocally the right thing to do.

    Your thoughts?
    I am a pragmatist before anything and we need to discuss what "support" for the Iranian people means...exactly.

    Take Syria as an example. I, as a Democrat, favor that we support the people of Syria in finding their end to a brutal regime.

    Support for the Syrian people was there but was far short of was needed to bring about a regime change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I have no doubt. Most Americans care only what price gas is at the pump.
    Wait. So if some dude in Nevada says "Hey mom, good news. Gas is three cents cheaper a gallon than it was yesterday", what they're really saying is "I support the authoritarian government of Iran and hope they crush this uprising of the people"?

    Seems like a bit of a stretch.
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    The Iranian people are not as powerless as this presents. In fact they overthrew the Shah of Iran in the 1979 revolution. What would anyone have the US do, attack another country? That mentality has to go away. We have protests so do we approve other countries step in and settle US protests? The concept of sanctions will be resolved as always by the UN so don't assume that if it gets worse that won't happen.

    The US has no power anywhere at this point in the Trump administration so look for a global solution if it becomes necessary. Right now they are all on a wait and see standing.
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    You cannot look at the situation in Iran only with Western standards. Actually people who started the movements against the government. came mostly from outside the big cities and the revolt is not limited to educated middle class people. It is a revolt about hunger, lack of prospects and unfulfilleld promises from the the people who are ruling Iran and own the economy there likde the clergy and guardians of the revolution. No reformist president until now could do anything about it until now. And until now the conservatives could always say that the economy was bad because of the sanctions and the great Satan, and may common people would believe it. The way Trump supports verbally dissenters is dangerous because it gives the opportunity to the conservatives to say that dissentors are traitors and the servant of the Americans. It is also why to keep sanctions or make new ones against Iran will not bring any advantage to the US. It will offer justifications to the conservatives to maintain their grip on the country and in the meantime Iran will be able to increase its influence in the region at a very low price because the Hezbollah is on the ground in Syria, the Hamas in Palestine not to speak of the Hutis in Yemen and all fighting there for the only obvious beneficiary Iran...... All of that for a cheap price when you compare to what Saudis spend to have an influence and failto achieve their aims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I have no doubt. Most Americans care only what price gas is at the pump.
    Obama supported peaceful protests in Egypt and was slammed for it. The US kinda sorta supported protests in Syria and look how that turned out.

    Not to mention having the US stick their nose into what goes on in Iran just gives the government an excuse to declare the protesters western backed enemies of the state and execute them.

    This liberal supports the protesters but I want any Iranian regime change coming from Iranians, not the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    Obama supported peaceful protests in Egypt and was slammed for it. The US kinda sorta supported protests in Syria and look how that turned out.

    Not to mention having the US stick their nose into what goes on in Iran just gives the government an excuse to declare the protesters western backed enemies of the state and execute them.

    This liberal supports the protesters but I want any Iranian regime change coming from Iranians, not the US.
    Yea, liberating the Iraqis didnt go so well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Yea, liberating the Iraqis didnt go so well.
    I also think Netanyahu isn't doing the protesters a big favor either.

    Netanyahu's video in support of Iranian protesters is his most viral yet - Middle East - Jerusalem Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by galatin View Post
    You cannot look at the situation in Iran only with Western standards.
    I wish I could repeat this a hundred times in every thread about Iran. To quote Tip O'Neill: All politics is local--even in Persia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    I wish I could repeat this a hundred times in every thread about Iran. To quote Tip O'Neill: All politics is local--even in Persia.
    agree. even the slimmest taint of collusion by the western countries with the protestors could damage the effects internally for the Iranian citizens. such an action will cause the Iranian government to be more forceful with their enforcement against those protesting. best to wait and see how this plays out.

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