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    Not to mention how obviously transparent it would be if Westerners were to voice support for protests in Iran while endlessly selling military equipment to Saudi Arabia to ruthlessly crush dissent and enforce a theocratic social code far, far worse than Iran’s.

    Even people needing and taking our help would see that. And make note of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post




    American support for the Iranian protests must go beyond rhetoric | TheHill

    I have a theory as to why American "liberals" do not line up solidly behind those in the ME who seek to advance the cause of human rights for people living in Muslim nations: because it would force them to reexamine their brainless support for the terrorists who incessantly assault Israel, and take all the fun out of making ideological housepets out of the worst terrorists on the planet today.

    It is a sad, sad, sad day in America when the citizens of other nations rise up and demand dignity and freedom, and that plea falls on deaf "liberal" ears here.

    HELP THESE PEOPLE. I don't know whether we can donate directly to them. Probably not. But AT A MINIMUM, demand the U.S. impose trade sanctions on Iran for its oppression of the protesters.

    No matter WHAT your political views might be, this is unequivocally the right thing to do.

    Your thoughts?
    Simple answer, stay out of it,

    here's why

    1) 1953

    2) The only democratically elected head of Iran, Mousaddegh, who nationalized the oil industry in direct opposition to the Anglo Iranian Oil Pact.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_I..._d%27%C3%A9tat

    3) John Foster Dulles the engineer of the uprising in 1953, and the engineer of the failed Bay of Pigs experiment. Kermit Roosevelt Jr. and Operation AJAX:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_I..._d%27%C3%A9tat

    4) Anglo Iranian Oil Pact
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-...n_Oil_Co._case

    We need to stay the hell out of this, Iran was our first attempt at Nation Building, we inserted the Shah, and his corrupt regime lead to the student uprising, and an exiled Ayatollah came to power.

    We need to stay out of this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    Simple answer, stay out of it,

    here's why

    1) 1953

    2) The only democratically elected head of Iran, Mousaddegh, who nationalized the oil industry in direct opposition to the Anglo Iranian Oil Pact.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_I..._d%27%C3%A9tat

    3) John Foster Dulles the engineer of the uprising in 1953, and the engineer of the failed Bay of Pigs experiment. Kermit Roosevelt Jr. and Operation AJAX:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_I..._d%27%C3%A9tat

    4) Anglo Iranian Oil Pact
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-...n_Oil_Co._case

    We need to stay the hell out of this, Iran was our first attempt at Nation Building, we inserted the Shah, and his corrupt regime lead to the student uprising, and an exiled Ayatollah came to power.

    We need to stay out of this one.
    I think we can pray, but beyond that, we have demonstrated over, and over again that we lack the wisdom to know how to help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    Simple answer, stay out of it,

    here's why

    1) 1953

    2) The only democratically elected head of Iran, Mousaddegh, who nationalized the oil industry in direct opposition to the Anglo Iranian Oil Pact.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_I..._d%27%C3%A9tat

    3) John Foster Dulles the engineer of the uprising in 1953, and the engineer of the failed Bay of Pigs experiment. Kermit Roosevelt Jr. and Operation AJAX:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_I..._d%27%C3%A9tat

    4) Anglo Iranian Oil Pact
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-...n_Oil_Co._case

    We need to stay the hell out of this, Iran was our first attempt at Nation Building, we inserted the Shah, and his corrupt regime lead to the student uprising, and an exiled Ayatollah came to power.

    We need to stay out of this one.
    ha ha. I fact checked you and you are correct. Guatemala was 1954.
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    ha ha. I fact checked you and you are correct. Guatemala was 1954.
    I know I am right, we made our bones in Iran, and they got crushed, remember the Shah's son lives in the US and he is lobbying for the protesters, and the reason is obvious; it's no matter that his grandfather devastated the coffers of Iran thru corruption, women, wine and palaces, and then, allowed AIOCO to withhold stipends while they were so generous with other countries in the Middle East, it didn't matter that his father got "cold feet" the first time Roosveelt tried to get him back on the Peacock throne, and it didn't matter that Roosevelt bribed the Shah's sister to work him over, for the payment of a mink coat and one million dollars, and it didn't matter that the Shah's secret police the SAVAK, were jailing people over their protests, and it didn't matter that the Ayatollah, locked his own supporters in a theater in Tehran, set it on fire, killing them all, and then blamed it on the SAVAK; we need to stay out of this, Iran was WAS the most democratic country in the Middle East, until we decided to help our friends in Britian and fuck the whole place up.

    When the Dulles brothers proposed the Bay of Pigs invasion to Eisenhower, in '56, he threatened to pull his pearl handle revolver out of the resolution desk and shoot them right there in the Oval Office, the Dulles Brothers were able to influence Kennedy because one of Kennedy's flaws is that he felt inferior to Nikita, who once mistakened the congressman as a waiter at a soiree.

    The Dulles Brothers were two of the most evil sons of bitches to ever inhabit Washington, and JFK got duped by them, at least Eisenhower realized what happened in Iran was a monumental mistake.

    And it was,

    We need to stay the hell out of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    I think we can pray, but beyond that, we have demonstrated over, and over again that we lack the wisdom to know how to help.
    We'll erect statues to them, like we did in '56 when Hungrary rose up against the Soviet.
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    The one thing that this proves :

    The hijab is a mark of oppression and the first opportunity to remove it, and the women will.

    Not like the feminists around who seem to think it's a mark of female empowerment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    We'll erect statues to them, like we did in '56 when Hungrary rose up against the Soviet.
    yeah. I remember that well. most of my relatives in Hungary did not survive that protest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    The one thing that this proves :

    The hijab is a mark of oppression and the first opportunity to remove it, and the women will.

    Not like the feminists around who seem to think it's a mark of female empowerment.
    Goodness. What utter confusion! The hijab is a mark of piety for Muslim women. It's voluntary, not required, in the Koran. It becomes oppressive only when women are either required to wear it (as in Iran or a different cover in Saudi Arabia) or FORBIDDEN to wear it (as in Attaturk's Turkey, Iran under the Shah, or...France).

    When they are allowed to remove their hijabs, SOME women will remove them. Others will keep them on because they wanted to wear them in the first place. It's a mark of female empowerment when the decision on how to dress is up to women. So is a bikini--as long as no one is forcing women to wear bikinis.
    Last edited by Rasselas; 7th January 2018 at 10:18 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    The one thing that this proves :

    The hijab is a mark of oppression and the first opportunity to remove it, and the women will.

    Not like the feminists around who seem to think it's a mark of female empowerment.
    I love the scenes of women there taking them off and flying them as flags of protest!
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