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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    In case you are curious:

    A hadith (/ˈhædɪθ/[1] or /hɑːˈdiːθ/;[2] Arabic: حديث‎ ḥadīth, plural: ahadith, أحاديث, ʼaḥādīth[3]) is one of various reports describing the words, actions, or habits of the Islamic prophet Muhammad.[3] The term comes from the Arabic language and means a "report", "account" or "narrative".[4]:471 Unlike the Qur'an, which is the same literary work recognized by all Muslims, the ahadith are not one single same collection.

    The ahadith refers to different hadith collections, and different branches of Islam (Sunni, Shia, Ibadi) consult different collections of hadith, while the relatively small sect of Quranists reject the authority of any of the hadith collections altogether.[5][6]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith
    Perhaps, but it's the same sort of tradition as the Talmud and the other oral interpretations of scripture that Jews consider authoritative. And there are many different catechisms and creeds in Christianity that distill and interpret scripture for the particular theology of a particular sect.

    IMO this is where all the bad stuff comes from, because it is not in the Qu'ran.
    Maybe. I know a bit of the Qu'ran and there are some paranoid things in there. Like instructions not to trust most Christians or Jews because they'll always like each other better than they like Muslims, but also accepting their faith (for them) because they are People of the Book. It's weird, but that's what it means to be Abrahamic Religion 3.0.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Whut do you mean, "the U.S. has no power"? That's obviously not true, but even If it were, we could step into Iran's neighbors to encourage them to help the protesters.
    There is that American hegemonic bs. US should decide how other countries act and live, eh? America is the world sheriff, is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Every religion has its own rules about behavior--I'm accurately recounting what Islam says, so far as I know.
    Read the book, the English translation reads about as terribly as reading the bible, but not quite as long.

    "Honor killings" don't happen over head covers. I'll grant you that women get beaten or arrested for not covering their heads in Iran or Saudi Arabia, but "honor killings" are about a more serious issue. And honor killings aren't a product of Islam--they predate Islam in Arab culture, which was even more oppressive to women before Islam (hard to believe, I know, but it's true).
    The punishment in many countries over he headdress varies in places, however there are contexts where the prescription is lethal.

    The thing is, most cultures have abandoned the concepts of honour killings.

    But, that you seem to find it acceptable that men will beat their wives for showing their hair. You do realize that's most of why women in North America wear the hijab, you know it's worse when you see the niqqab.

    Have you ever read the hand maids tale? Ok, that book is mocking Christianity's past, yet, as oppressive as that society is... That is quite liberal in terms of Islam, and heresy to the most extreme versions.

    And you may not know this, but in secularized Islamic countries (Turkey until just a few years ago, Iran under the Shah) women were FORBIDDEN to wear head coverings. The Shah's police would actually go up to women and cut them off--same in Turkey under Ataturk and later. In France, religious people of all stripes are forbidden from wearing religious garb in public spaces like schools or government buildings. That includes large crosses on Christians and head coverings for Muslim women.
    Yes, there have been times where Islam was the beacon and the creators of many mathematical concepts, and many inventions.

    The overall trend of i slams 1400 year history is one of conquest and oppression. That's why Islamic nations almost require tyrannical rule, it's the iron first that prevents the various conflicting sects from killing each other, and the only means through which Islamic societies can develop.

    Seriously, now that the dictator o Libya is gone, it's back to a situation where women are bought and sold on slave blocks.., thanks Clinton and Obama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    Iranians are not Arabs.
    Iranians hate being referred to as Arabs. My neighbor is Persian and a radiologist. He said that Arabs are uncouth savages. He hates Saudi Arabia for a passion. His daughter is now a student where I work and I love teasing him that she has picked out a nice Saudi boy to date. He becomes unglued...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    Obama supported peaceful protests in Egypt and was slammed for it. The US kinda sorta supported protests in Syria and look how that turned out.

    Not to mention having the US stick their nose into what goes on in Iran just gives the government an excuse to declare the protesters western backed enemies of the state and execute them.

    This liberal supports the protesters but I want any Iranian regime change coming from Iranians, not the US.
    We are responsible. The Ayatollah would not have come to power but for the hideous abuses of the Shah, who held power as a US puppet.

    We do this evil shit all over the planet, and have done at least since WWII.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    We are responsible. The Ayatollah would not have come to power but for the hideous abuses of the Shah, who held power as a US puppet.

    We do this evil shit all over the planet, and have done at least since WWII.
    And you want us to interfere even more? You sound like Granny from The Beverly Hillbillies talking about the care of infants. "First, you put 'em in the washtub. After that you you put on lots of lard to soothe the sting of the lye soap....."
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    Probably zero. There are approx. 23 or so honor killings a year in the US out of 320M people. I rarely see a hijab anymore in my local area. My friend is Palestinian and she did not start wearing a head covering until she was 40, when she renewed her faith. Her husband tried to talk her out of it because he is proud of her beauty. She is truly one of the most beautiful women at age 50 I have ever seen. She has long black hair down to her hips and her reasoning, she doesn't want men looking at her, just her husband. I like to tease her...(she loves it) that it is not her hair but the way she fills out her jeans.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...stan/85642786/
    Excellent point; see, this still occurs... And that's people that have left, often to escape and just practice the core of their faith in their own ways without risk of retribution of it not being done correctly enough for authorities.

    So, there are still a portion who carry those beliefs so strongly that they would kill their own children / spouses. How many wind up getting beaten and it's never discovered because the headdress covers the wounds?

    Btw, the anecdote sounds like someone who had lived most of all of their lives out of that culture... There are anecdotes of born again Christians, who become so absolutist that they can't watch game of thrones because it endorses prostitution and other sins. I wasn't eliminating that as a possibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Excellent point; see, this still occurs... And that's people that have left, often to escape and just practice the core of their faith in their own ways without risk of retribution of it not being done correctly enough for authorities.

    So, there are still a portion who carry those beliefs so strongly that they would kill their own children / spouses. How many wind up getting beaten and it's never discovered because the headdress covers the wounds?

    Btw, the anecdote sounds like someone who had lived most of all of their lives out of that culture... There are anecdotes of born again Christians, who become so absolutist that they can't watch game of thrones because it endorses prostitution and other sins. I wasn't eliminating that as a possibility.
    I grew up 10 miles from Dearborn Michigan have been around Muslims my entire life. I work with them, teach them and have them as neighbors and they never cause any problems. We have more shootings in Cleveland over a weekend than honor killings Nationwide. Honor killings are the least of the worries for main street Americans. Americans tend to sensationalize honor killings but turn a blind eye to any other atrocities that people do to their kids and wives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    And you want us to interfere even more? You sound like Granny from The Beverly Hillbillies talking about the care of infants. "First, you put 'em in the washtub. After that you you put on lots of lard to soothe the sting of the lye soap....."
    Yes, goddamnit. I want us to use our enormous power to secure basic human rights for Iranians. Seems like the least we can do, since we have been fucking them over for decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Yes, goddamnit. I want us to use our enormous power to secure basic human rights for Iranians. Seems like the least we can do, since we have been fucking them over for decades.
    Or, we could worry about basic human rights in this country before other countries start meddling in our business.
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