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    My biggest gripe with the Feminazis is that they all hate men, period. And they think that until men are completely subjugated if not outright eliminated they won't be happy.

    Yep. Feminists are just like Nazis! A group of people who (quoted from the US Holocaust Museum site) '...targeted other groups because of their perceived "racial inferiority": Roma (Gypsies), the disabled, and some of the Slavic peoples (Poles, Russians, and others). Other groups were persecuted on political, ideological, and behavioral grounds, among them Communists, Socialists, Jehovah's Witnesses, and homosexuals.' Oh yes, my desire to be for everyone to be equal, for the law to be equal, for people to acknowledge past wrongs, and for people to help others is EXACTLY like the Nazis!

    Honestly, did you read a thing BDBoop or myself wrote? Did you just totally skip it because you saw the word 'Feminist' and you're mind stopped working? I. Do. Not. Hate. Men. I hate men who hate women, LGBTQ+, poc, and people with physical/mental disablities. In fact, I hate anyone who judges anyone for something as superficial as gender, health, sexual orientation, gender identity, or skin color. I want to end it. Unfortunatly, someone has to get their feeling hurt.

    Let me also make this clear: Feminism is just as worthy of critisism as anything else. There are bad parts in it, and if anyone can back up their claims with facts, I will be more than happy to talk about them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Luthor View Post
    Oh sure, and until men are under your rule you won't be happy.
    Actually, putting me in charge of anything would be horrible! I'd never show up to meetings on time, I'd complain constantly about how early said meetings are, paperwork would never get done! Hell, I might even accidentally start a war if I got bored enough! That or I'd be an evil dictator.


    In all seriousness, I don't want anyone to be in charge of anyone except for themselves. I'd probably be an anarchist if I had more trust in humans. But, there are people like you and so I don't. I want everyone to make choices for themselves. I don't want control over anyone except myself. Also, why is it so, so wrong for women to want to control men, but men controling women is a-okay?! Your trying to make this argurment that simply can't exist, because you clearly don't believe in gender equality. You're posts have made that much clear.
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    Maybe this should be in its own thread, but maybe its okay here too. This video is beautiful.

    John Legend's 'You & I (Nobody In The World)' Video Will Make You Hug Your Mother, Wife, Daughter
    The Huffington Post | By Liat Kornowski

    Posted: 07/11/2014 5:50 am EDT Updated: 07/11/2014 4:59 pm EDT

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    Young girls, mothers and expecting mothers, athletes, women of all shapes, colors and sizes, even cancer survivors -- in what is possibly the most powerful fraction of the video -- make an appearance, as Legend serenades them with "All of the stars, they don't shine brighter than you are."

    Be warned, you'll need tissues for this one.

    (vid without ad is at site ....here is vid with embedded ad)



    John Legend's 'You & I (Nobody In The World)' Video Will Make You Hug Your Mother, Wife, Daughter
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reim View Post
    Hello! I would be the Reim Antoinette that BDBoop is quoting! I'm not sure how much else I can add, but that's mainly because I'm far better improv than memorizing my lines. As I mentioned in the original text, I'm fairly girly. Well, as girly as a geek who spends most of her time obsessing over fictional characters and universes can be. I wear make-up, I hate wearing pants, my hair would be pink and black if I had the money for it. And I fully support Feminism. I actually remember once asking my mom why she used male pronouns when refering to a stuffed animal I had. And her answer was 'That's how it is'. And that kind of stuff has always annoyed me. Why would you want to do something simply because that's how it's always done? I get that there are some things in which we probably should avoid trying too many new things without prior testing, but is how we view genders really one of them?

    Honestly, as I mentioned in the original post, I think that we're hindered by having gender roles. There's a post that I've seen a few times on Tumblr that goes something like "Just think of all the brilliant minds we've lost because they were locked up in mental hospitals." For those of you who don't spend absurd amounts of time researching the Victorian era, if a women showed interest in science, math, or any male-dominated field, many families would pretend they were insane and send them away to a mental hospital. Not always (we did have the amazing Ada Lovelace, a mathematician who created algorithems that we now use in computer programming), but it happened. Think of how many inventions, how many brilliant women got locked up because they didn't fit a man-made role. How many Marie Curies we may have had, but didn't because their families were afraid of social standing. Think of all of the great minds who were physically or mentally disabled, who were LGBTQ+, and who we lost because we feared.
    It has hindrances that many dont even think about...

    I think there are many men who have viewed feminism as taking something away from men. Men benefit by sharing in child rearing (being more than the paycheck), being able to participate with loved ones and family beyond "provider" is a brilliant thing for men. In the US this aspect is absent from the conversation.

    My brother in law is at home with his 10 month old....his wife took the first half of the parental leave, now his has kicked in and he takes the second half. (men can take the first half, but most people choose for the woman to do the first half due to breastfeeding). He is loving life being the full time stay at home dad, and its not like he isnt career oriented..both him and my sister in law are doctors and at the end of their internships. Its lovely, they can both have full careers AND participate fully as parents. He will most definitely take time off to do school plays, events, stay home with sick kids etc.

    The natural outcome is that woman are not discriminated against so much in their careers...men will be taking just as much time from work as woman do. The men will also take days off to be home with sick kids, go to their kids school event etc.

    BTW, a gay couple can marry legally and they get the same paid leave to split to be at home with their new baby as well.

    The results of gender equality for both genders couldnt be clearer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kontrary View Post
    It has hindrances that many dont even think about...

    I think there are many men who have viewed feminism as taking something away from men. Men benefit by sharing in child rearing (being more than the paycheck), being able to participate with loved ones and family beyond "provider" is a brilliant thing for men. In the US this aspect is absent from the conversation.

    My brother in law is at home with his 10 month old....his wife took the first half of the parental leave, now his has kicked in and he takes the second half. (men can take the first half, but most people choose for the woman to do the first half due to breastfeeding). He is loving life being the full time stay at home dad, and its not like he isnt career oriented..both him and my sister in law are doctors and at the end of their internships. Its lovely, they can both have full careers AND participate fully as parents. He will most definitely take time off to do school plays, events, stay home with sick kids etc.

    The natural outcome is that woman are not discriminated against so much in their careers...men will be taking just as much time from work as woman do. The men will also take days off to be home with sick kids, go to their kids school event etc.

    BTW, a gay couple can marry legally and they get the same paid leave to split to be at home with their new baby as well.

    The results of gender equality for both genders couldnt be clearer.
    My nephew did well enough with writing and another business he runs that he is now a stay-at-home dad to his two, and he LOVES it. I am so glad he has this opportunity to enjoy being a dad to the fullest.
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    Just to throw in my two cents here. A fair number of -isms get a bad rap, not just feminism. Unfortunately the negative aspects of some in a particular group in question tend to become what people perceive as the whole. IOW, the few apples can spoil the entire bunch or lead to a broad brush of an entire group. I support feminism as well as conservatism.

    IMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Luthor View Post
    My biggest gripe with the Feminazis is that they all hate men, period. And they think that until men are completely subjugated if not outright eliminated they won't be happy.
    How many of these people are there? Three? Four?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Luthor View Post
    My biggest gripe with the Feminazis is that they all hate men, period. And they think that until men are completely subjugated if not outright eliminated they won't be happy.
    Feminists don't hate ALL MEN, they just hate men like you. Why are you so terribly afraid of women, mommy issues?
    Fucking DUUUUUh.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Luthor View Post
    you mean that men should never again be leaders?
    Do not walk in front of me,
    I may not want to follow.
    Do not walk behind me,
    I may not want to lead.
    Just walk beside me
    and be my friend.

    Albert Camus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Luthor View Post
    But then again, that blurs the clearly defined roles of each gender.
    Problem with you is that you would be just as happy being the slave as you would the master. Just so long as you don't have to THINK, to compromise, to negotiate with another as an equal.
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