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    Well in the real world, we need leaders.
    Yeah, leaders who understand basic human rights. So, you and everyone like you are out.

    I'm going to say it again, if it wasn't for people like you, I'd be an anarchist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Feminism has a labeling issue. *isms and *ists generally are attached to words that are exclusionary or negatively targeting of a group. But suddenly feminism means you champion equal rights.

    Why not just be for equality. That's easier to understand than 'feminist' or 'feminism'.
    I agree. My daughters hate the term feminism because they are growing up today in a far more equal (though not perfect) world than us older women did. So naturally when I or another woman speaks of feminism they automatically say "whats the male equivalent?" They just figure if there is something for women its only fair that their be something for men. They definitely feel feminism is polarizing and prefer equality as a better term with no negative consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I agree. My daughters hate the term feminism because they are growing up today in a far more equal (though not perfect) world than us older women did. So naturally when I or another woman speaks of feminism they automatically say "whats the male equivalent?" They just figure if there is something for women its only fair that their be something for men. They definitely feel feminism is polarizing and prefer equality as a better term with no negative consequences.
    I wrote this somewhere in the past week, but I knew young women agree with the goals of feminism but grew up seeing feminism being demonized and now eschew the word.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    I wrote this somewhere in the past week, but I knew young women agree with the goals of feminism but grew up seeing feminism being demonized and now eschew the word.
    It just doesn't make sense to them. They want equality period. Not to turn it around and be over men but pure equality. They actually are witnessing young men their age self destruct with things like video games. They feel the way to bring better equality is to have more women in the game either in jobs or politics. That in itself does more for the womens movement than marching or protesting. To them that makes them feel like a target to others who will double down on not allowing them in to places where they can change the mechanism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    It just doesn't make sense to them. They want equality period. Not to turn it around and be over men but pure equality. They actually are witnessing young men their age self destruct with things like video games. They feel the way to bring better equality is to have more women in the game either in jobs or politics. That in itself does more for the womens movement than marching or protesting. To them that makes them feel like a target to others who will double down on not allowing them in to places where they can change the mechanism.
    Feminism isn't about women being "over" men. That's just buying into the definition of it by the likes of Rush Limbaugh and his ilk. And that's exactly what I was talking about when I spoke of the demonization of the word feminism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    It just doesn't make sense to them. They want equality period. Not to turn it around and be over men but pure equality. They actually are witnessing young men their age self destruct with things like video games. They feel the way to bring better equality is to have more women in the game either in jobs or politics. That in itself does more for the womens movement than marching or protesting. To them that makes them feel like a target to others who will double down on not allowing them in to places where they can change the mechanism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    Feminism isn't about women being "over" men. That's just buying into the definition of it by the likes of Rush Limbaugh and his ilk. And that's exactly what I was talking about when I spoke of the demonization of the word feminism.

    I couldn't really answer easily before, b/c I was on my kindle. But, yes, baj, what Babba said. I think the only people who actually think that feminism (even if I prefer the word, equality) is about "Not to turn it around and be over men but pure equality.", are people who are against equality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    I couldn't really answer easily before, b/c I was on my kindle. But, yes, baj, what Babba said. I think the only people who actually think that feminism (even if I prefer the word, equality) is about "Not to turn it around and be over men but pure equality.", are people who are against equality.
    I don't know, a lot of colleges have womens and gay groups that are against labels and isms so a lot of young people don't associate with the lingo. They prefer terms like gender equality and marriage equality etc. No isms or anything that gets a negative connotation with it from those that don't approve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I don't know, a lot of colleges have womens and gay groups that are against labels and isms so a lot of young people don't associate with the lingo. They prefer terms like gender equality and marriage equality etc. No isms or anything that gets a negative connotation with it from those that don't approve.
    I agree on the labeling, but I disagree that people think feminism means 'turn it around and be over men'. The anti-feminists think that. Not people who favor equality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Luthor View Post
    My biggest gripe with the Feminazis is that they all hate men, period. And they think that until men are completely subjugated if not outright eliminated they won't be happy.
    I like your username because, much like your opinions, it is a cartoon character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    I agree on the labeling, but I disagree that people think feminism means 'turn it around and be over men'. The anti-feminists think that. Not people who favor equality.
    No I didn't mean that. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I just meant that younger people think more in terms of equality. For example, if you ask random people on the street about feminism many will either cringe or think its meant to have women superior to men. If you ask the same people about equality they think its great.

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