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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    I had not even read your post, I was replying to the OP, sensitive much? And some fringe rightie already has the OlGuy moniker, please never confuse us. The board has been getting an infusion of white nationalists and fringe radicals since the Trump election, does not mean I think you are one, at least you don't have a Norse God name as your handle...but I am guilty of looking at new posters with a cynical eye lately...the old looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and all.
    I'll keep that info mind.
    Of course, you could help assuage the confusion by using a quote box. jez sayin'

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    Bill Maher got raked over the coals hard for his slip up, and the black guests on his show did not cut him any slack, at all.
    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    White Supremacists want to feel free to use it any time without any one complaining, that is their mind set.
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    Just because you have the first amendment right, does not mean you have to be a racist POS and spew your bigotry and hate for the world to see, at least have some shame.
    The above are all true. Do you feel they're in conflict with the author's point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    Simply put. No right is absolute and no right is beyond regulation. There are different types of offensive language. Not all are created equal.

    Like every other right their is an absolute right of belief and not an absolute right for practice.

    My right to free speech can only go as far as it does not violate your rights....whether my speech is offensive or not.
    Mostly agree with this. One thing the Matal case makes clear, however, is that Howard Dean was wrong when he proclaimed that "Hate speech is not protected by the First Amendment." Yes, it almost always is. Particularly in the context of prior restraint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    I'm inclined to agree re: the "crux," but I'm assuming you're familiar with the concept of "natural law," and the view - held by many - that rights are God-given and the purpose of the Constitution is to protect them from violation by man?

    Even if you don't subscribe to that view, do you disagree with the idea that even offensive speech warrants First Amendment protections?
    But what if there is no God? Does that mean we would have no rights?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
    But what if there is no God? Does that mean we would have no rights?
    Talk about a zombie post! Had to go back and reboot context.

    To your point, I maintain that there is. However, in my comment, I allowed for others who don't subscribe to that view to still contemplate the scope of First Amendment protections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    Talk about a zombie post! Had to go back and reboot context.

    To your point, I maintain that there is. However, in my comment, I allowed for others who don't subscribe to that view to still contemplate the scope of First Amendment protections.
    Been absent for a time, and thanks for the response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
    Been absent for a time, and thanks for the response.
    I've been absent a lot, too. Hope all is well with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    I’ve Been Called the Worst Thing You Can Call Someone, I Support the Right to Say It Anyway
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    By Kira Davis | June 20, 2017, 04:00am

    <Excerpt>:

    I was called a [n-word] nearly every weekday of my life from my first day of school until my last.

    This might seem hard to believe in this day and age, but it is true. I grew up on a tiny rural island in eastern Canada. Prince Edward Island has always been known for its beautiful beaches, Anne of Green Gables and potatoes.

    But before the internet made the world much smaller, before mass immigration to North America from many regions across the world, before anyone had even heard of the term ‘hate speech’ – before all these things PEI was isolated and white. In the ‘70s and ‘80s most Islanders had never seen a black person in real life, and their entertainment certainly contained very few black faces. I was an anomaly. I was odd and too many people felt too free to let me know on a regular basis.

    ...

    I’m telling you this story because today the Supreme Court ruled that the 1st Amendment contains no exceptions for hate speech.

    As someone who has regularly been called one of the most horrible things one person can call another human being, I whole-heartedly support this decision and I couldn’t agree more.


    Read the rest here.
    Sure but here's the real deal, personally and into themselves every single person is responsible for their words and their actions. Speak filth? Then you are filth.
    Last edited by PACE; 11th January 2018 at 07:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    First of all, I was reared in the time of 'sticks and stones' as was taught that words do not draw blood.

    Then lets me also clarify that does not mean that sustained and constant beratement from a person in authority is not healthy according to clinicians.

    These days children are taught that bullying is not to be tolerated and laws have been passed to curb the practice. Is bullying free speech? What is the qualifier?
    There is only one sure way to stop a bully. Beat the shit out of him and he will finally figure it out or die trying. Either way, no more bully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iolo View Post
    Americans have frequently called me an Englishman, and there is apparently no law against this. Their use of the word 'limey' is puzzling: it was originally a label for British seamen, who, were given lime to counteract scurvy, a group which would undoubtedly have included a great number of Irish sailors, but Irish-Americans seem to use it to mean 'English', or even 'British', and I wish they'd decide what it does mean.
    And who is going to decide? The meaning of words including what is offensive is determined by usage of the people, not by the intelligentsia. Folks need an education in semantics.
    We are devolving. A few guidelines from S.I. Hayakawa.

    The Word is not the thing.

    Words and meanings are independent of one another and can only be understood in the local, detailed context where they are spoken.

    Label #1 does not equal Label #2

    Generalizations hide the truth of a person or a place more than reveal what those things are about.

    Conservative #1 does not equal Conservative #2; Liberal #1 does not equal Liberal #2

    Accurate thinking is achieved by lowering the level of generality to particulars and studying the details of a person, phenomenon, event.

    Accurate thinking is the province of Science, Journalism, Historians. These are the boring people

    Having said this, it should be noted that keeping generalizations general and blurring the details is the realm of politicians, marketeers, advocates, propagandists, religionists, anti-religionists and everyone else who wants to control others with sweeping language, bold initiatives and stirring speech. These are the ones everybody wants to emulate.

    The boring people need to be respected more than they are. We need them.
    Last edited by kmiller1610; 11th January 2018 at 11:18 PM.

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