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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    We should be hearing about the oppressed Japanese who were literally robbed and kept in concentration camps, or the Jews who were almost genocided... Somehow those groups have managed to move on and exception being a discussion on that specific topic, you won't ever hear anyone from those groups complaining.

    Also, both those groups actually perform better than white people on average.

    I suppose with the binary world view of so many that will make me an Asian-Jewish supremacist...
    Well said, thanks!
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    Nope, it's not

    Slavery = property

    Indentured servitude = pay back, but not property.
    Exactly, and if you had one slave and one indentured servant, but only enough food to keep one alive for the winter... The common choice was to keep the property alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Umm... Where do you think Americans lived in the 1600's?
    Clear what the top post is about, whether or not slavery was good for slaves.

    Yes or no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbella View Post
    Oh, please... re-read your own top post, dammit! The whole thing is about how bad African Americans had it because of Southern slavery. Nothing was said about federal dollars being sent to southern states. Who do you think your'e dealing with... an idiot? Is that what you're used to doing here?



    Who do you think your'e dealing with... an idiot?
    yes, I do.

    The whole thing is about how bad African Americans had it because of Southern slavery.
    No it's not, it's about whether or not slaves were better off under slavery, the answer is no...

    That's what this is about, and while you flail and fling your cyber arms, and demand in stentorian tones we all Pay attention your "tangents", the final conclusion is, you can't answer the question or you won't answer the question, or you don't know HOW to answer the question.

    And yes, that's how we "do things here",, if you don't like it? you know what to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    yes, I do.
    So you're used to dealing with idiots around here?

    I wouldn't advertise it too much.... your friends might not like it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Exactly, and if you had one slave and one indentured servant, but only enough food to keep one alive for the winter... The common choice was to keep the property alive.
    No, they are not one and the same as you call out in your post with regards to "semantics" and we'll end this right here, I'll not feed your mount olympus view on "property", why you dehumanize by the use of the word. and usually those who "dehumanize" are inferior themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbella View Post
    So you're used to dealing with idiots around here?

    I wouldn't advertise it too much.... your friends might not like it!
    Nope, go back to your post, you asked do I think you are an idiot, and since you can't follow the top post, the natural answer is why yes, you are.

    Go back and read the top post and stop your itching fingers from googling stuff you don't understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    Nope, go back to your post, you asked do I think you are an idiot, and since you can't follow the top post, the natural answer is why yes, you are.

    Go back and read the top post and stop your itching fingers from googling stuff you don't understand.
    I asked if you're used to dealing with idiots around here... you said yes. Don't try to backtrack now... it's too late.

    And no... your top post asked if slavery was good for AFRICAN AMERICAN slaves. I showed you that it wasn't good for slaves of ANY skin color. Anything wrong with that statement And you "don't care about Europe"... why not? Were THEIR slaves any less human than OURS?

    What kind of person would even differentiate between white slaves, black slaves, or ANY slaves? Why do you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbella View Post
    Look harder...

    The Irish slave trade began when 30,000 Irish prisoners were sold as slaves to the New World. The King James I Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves.

    Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English merchants. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were actually white.

    From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland’s population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade. Families were ripped apart as the British did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them across the Atlantic. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and children. Britain’s solution was to auction them off as well.

    During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers.

    Many people today will avoid calling the Irish slaves what they truly were: Slaves. They’ll come up with terms like “Indentured Servants” to describe what occurred to the Irish. However, in most cases from the 17th and 18th centuries, Irish slaves were nothing more than human cattle.

    As an example, the African slave trade was just beginning during this same period. It is well recorded that African slaves, not tainted with the stain of the hated Catholic theology and more expensive to purchase, were often treated far better than their Irish counterparts.

    African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (50 Sterling). Irish slaves came cheap (no more than 5 Sterling). If a planter whipped or branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. A death was a monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African. The English masters quickly began breeding the Irish women for both their own personal pleasure and for greater profit. Children of slaves were themselves slaves, which increased the size of the master’s free workforce. Even if an Irish woman somehow obtained her freedom, her kids would remain slaves of her master. Thus, Irish moms, even with this new found emancipation, would seldom abandon their kids and would remain in servitude.

    In time, the English thought of a better way to use these women (in many cases, girls as young as 12) to increase their market share: The settlers began to breed Irish women and girls with African men to produce slaves with a distinct complexion. These new “mulatto” slaves brought a higher price than Irish livestock and, likewise, enabled the settlers to save money rather than purchase new African slaves. This practice of interbreeding Irish females with African men went on for several decades and was so widespread that, in 1681, legislation was passed “forbidding the practice of mating Irish slave women to African slave men for the purpose of producing slaves for sale.” In short, it was stopped only because it interfered with the profits of a large slave transport company.

    England continued to ship tens of thousands of Irish slaves for more than a century. Records state that, after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands of Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia. There were horrible abuses of both African and Irish captives. One British ship even dumped 1,302 slaves into the Atlantic Ocean so that the crew would have plenty of food to eat.

    There is little question that the Irish experienced the horrors of slavery as much (if not more in the 17th Century) as the Africans did. There is, also, very little question that those brown, tanned faces you witness in your travels to the West Indies are very likely a combination of African and Irish ancestry. In 1839, Britain finally decided on its own to end its participation in Satan’s highway to hell and stopped transporting slaves. While their decision did not stop pirates from doing what they desired, the new law slowly concluded THIS chapter of nightmarish Irish misery.

    But, if anyone, black or white, believes that slavery was only an African experience, then they’ve got it completely wrong.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-ir...e-slaves/31076
    From Wikipedia:

    Michel Chossudovsky (born 1946) is a Canadian economist and author. He is a professor emeritus of economics at the University of Ottawa.[1][2] Since 2001, he has been the president and director of the Centre for Research on Globalization, which publishes conspiracy theories.[3][4][5] Chossudovsky is himself a proponent of 9/11 conspiracy theories.[6][7]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbella View Post
    I asked if you're used to dealing with idiots around here... you said yes. Don't try to backtrack now... it's too late.

    And no... your top post asked if slavery was good for AFRICAN AMERICAN slaves. I showed you that it wasn't good for slaves of ANY skin color. Anything wrong with that statement And you "don't care about Europe"... why not? Were THEIR slaves any less human than OURS?

    What kind of person would even differentiate between white slaves, black slaves, or ANY slaves? Why do you?
    why aren't you addressing the top post? don't you speak english? well enough? I asked if slavery was good for the slaves, the answer is no, now start a thread on other instances of slavery, we are talking about the South and whether slavery was good for the South and the answer was Yes but slavery is Gone and the south has not evolved

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