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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    Bullshit.
    It was in my experience. I found it to be more of a religious gathering than anything resembling a rehab programme, but as I stated, it may be a product of the chapters I was visiting.

    Nothing ever really happened. People would show up; scoff the cakes and biscuits; talk about how they became alcoholics and that was about it. One could ask someone to be a sponsor, but annoying others with my problems has never been my thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacobfitcher View Post
    Then there are people out there who trade their addiction to alcohol for an addiction to AA meetings.
    I did note that phenomenon. It seemed that some were 'addicted' to the meetings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thx1138 View Post
    Well, honestly, do you believe AA played a pivotal role in your recovery?

    Without them would you be drinking today?
    I don't think AA had anything much to do with my recovery. The Princess Alexandria Hospital Programme worked for me. I still don't drink and I haven't been to meetings since the hospital programme in '08.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    Ever been arrested for attending an AA meeting? Lesser of two evils my friend.
    Plenty of people function with addictions. My point was that some people simply substitute one addiction for another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Courts cannot legally mandate religious-based rehabilitation organizations; including Alcoholics Anonymous.
    AA has been a mandate from the courts in my area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    The problem is that the folks who are being forced to attend AA meetings have neither the funding, nor the inclination to initiate a lawsuit. They have already paid fines and/or court costs for their trial and paid for their "rehab" alternative to going to jail. Having to sit through a few AA meetings is hardly their greatest concern at that moment in their lives. The entire "rehab" program is bullshit to begin with, so why worry about the AA bullshit, which is a but small portion of the overall bullshit program?
    I notice that no one mentioned what brought these people to this place to start with...as in their behavior. Many are quick to ridicule the format and call it slave labor, no one posting (bitching and complaining about something they only have one sided hearsay evidence about)is considering the value learned under this type format. Learning to get up, be responsible and follow rules, not to mention room and board on someone else dime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    They don't. They give you a choice between that, or prison.

    So, it's totally voluntary.
    But it is also made clear there,you either keep up or go to prison. Yes, that is slave labor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    It was in my experience. I found it to be more of a religious gathering than anything resembling a rehab programme, but as I stated, it may be a product of the chapters I was visiting.

    Nothing ever really happened. People would show up; scoff the cakes and biscuits; talk about how they became alcoholics and that was about it. One could ask someone to be a sponsor, but annoying others with my problems has never been my thing.
    Addictive personalities have to over come their own problems. For some that may be AA. For others, it is not.

    A person I know told me he knew,with his addictive personality,if he drank like the rest of his family he would be an alcoholic. Instead he became a Minister.

    I know others who drank like fish. They just quit. Every one is different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    My second sponsor (I had moved halfway around the world) so overstressed his religion that I dumped him & got someone else. The guy ended up getting drunk again, thinking he & Jesus had it under control. (Obviously, that was not the case.) The next guy was not like that at all.
    Quote Originally Posted by Thx1138 View Post
    I figured your having a legal career was a pert of it.

    Well, honestly, do you believe AA played a pivotal role in your recovery?

    Without them would you be drinking today?

    I have attended meetings in several different places, once for the court, most other times though just because a friend wanted me to go along with them...

    The one in So. Cal was very large and really nothing got done there, by the time they took attendance it was over.

    Here in WA I did the one in Issaquah, this just with a friend who found himself caught in the circle of joining the program and relapsing and ending up in court again, years of it stemming off one, simple offense, not a DWI.

    He never did quit and has been dead for 5 years, but not alcohol related.

    If it helps someone, more power to them, but I have known a lot of folks who got themselves to AA and very few, can't think of one who quit and credit it to AA...

    In fact, it wasn't until they got away from there that they made any progress.

    But, I'm glad for you and your father.

    Thx
    Thx, you put your finger on one solution. Getting away from it. You have to remove yourself from the environment you are in. Other wise it would be easy to go back.

    I do not deny any of the different solutions each one of you chose. They are all great. Like blue said,each person has to do what is best for you.

    I do congratulate each one of you. Drinking is an easy path when you are surrounded by it. In so many cases it is a family cycle that has to be broken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    My second sponsor (I had moved halfway around the world) so overstressed his religion that I dumped him & got someone else. The guy ended up getting drunk again, thinking he & Jesus had it under control. (Obviously, that was not the case.) The next guy was not like that at all.
    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Wonder if this is similar to the Christian rehab place Josh Duggar went to?
    Doubtful. He has money and I thought he had a sex problem,not drinking.

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