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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    My second sponsor (I had moved halfway around the world) so overstressed his religion that I dumped him & got someone else. The guy ended up getting drunk again, thinking he & Jesus had it under control. (Obviously, that was not the case.) The next guy was not like that at all.
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    They don't. They give you a choice between that, or prison.

    So, it's totally voluntary.
    Yeah,right,Night! Big choice,pokey or Christian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    My second sponsor (I had moved halfway around the world) so overstressed his religion that I dumped him & got someone else. The guy ended up getting drunk again, thinking he & Jesus had it under control. (Obviously, that was not the case.) The next guy was not like that at all.
    Quote Originally Posted by Thx1138 View Post
    Two things about AA...

    First, it doesn't really work... if someone quits it is because they chose to do so, you cannot join some program that is going to make you quit, for the most part, it just doesn't work.

    Next... after sitting there listening to everyone's sob story, many just want to get out of there and go have a beer!

    Seriously, it's hard to put something behind you if you keep going back revisiting it, the best way to kick a habit like that is to disassociate yourself from it, not wallow in it.

    My 2 cents.

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    Perfect summation,Thx. In the end it is up to you to change,stop,whatever.

    I guess for some it helps to attend those meetings,give you support. For others it does not.

    You have to remove yourself from the environment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    Perfect summation,Thx. In the end it is up to you to change,stop,whatever.

    I guess for some it helps to attend those meetings,give you support. For others it does not.

    You have to remove yourself from the environment.
    I once belonged to a relationship advice forum... some girl had "dun me wrong" and I was trying to get it sorted out in my head.

    Now this forum is very large, it is full of kids mostly that come in with a typical problem: "My BF/GF of two years and I broke up, how can I get them back!?"

    So, there is no shortage of "experts" to advise them, a bunch of people who came there the same way, but now with support from the forum etc, they are over it and helping others to get over it as well... much like the philosophy of AA...

    But let's stop for a second, is it really conducive to healing to go back in and tell your story again and again, getting it "off your chest" everyday for maybe the rest of your life it seems?

    Those folks were NOT doing themselves any favor by staying there, one should get some advice, make a decision and then get the hell out!

    I don't believe many actually got over it, they have just made it some kind of fixture now, something they tell themselves they can live with, but I don't believe many are actually over anything, just denialists for the most part telling themselves they are past it.

    I left that forum after I realized that this was in no way conducive to "getting over it."

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    Also... I once heard a stat that someone undergoing rehabilitation is actually 13% more likely to replapse...

    Anyone hear anything about that?

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    Letting go is the answer. Moving on. Takes a lot to over come. Wallowing in your misery does not do it.

    I have always tried to take my worst times,try and make good come from bad. It is a life long thing, changing. You never quit.

    Just something you have to keep doing over and over. Just like me leaving a place where I had lots of friends,support. But I knew I was unhappy. Did not like what I was hearing. At my age that is hard to do, but I did. Found my whole attitude change.

    Because this small Church is changing,too. Once strict and dogmatic, they are changing to personal responsibility. It is up to each one of us, not a Church.

    That did not change how I feel about what has happened to our Government and Social structure because at this time hate is winning, but we will survive. We always do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thx1138 View Post
    Also... I once heard a stat that someone undergoing rehabilitation is actually 13% more likely to replapse...

    Anyone hear anything about that?

    Thx
    Harvey Weinstein just announced he was going into rehab in the US and Europe. Caught with his pants down,again and again. Begged to keep his job, now rehab.. I consider that a joke, but think we can get Trump in.

    Most of what I know about rehab is those TV interventions that usually work wonderfully well. No follow up,though.

    It all goes back to personal responsibility. I am sure many need support. Others do not. I am pleased for those who succeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thx1138 View Post
    {I}s it really conducive to healing to go back in and tell your story again and again, getting it "off your chest" everyday for maybe the rest of your life it seems?
    Well, no. But one telling the story for that reason has not gotten over anything, but rather is just doing that instead of drinking. However, one can also tell the story (or varying parts of it) along with the recovery part, to assist others in making the mental transition. The other person does not really have a recovery story to help anyone with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacobfitcher View Post
    Plenty of people function with addictions. My point was that some people simply substitute one addiction for another.
    Yes indeed, that is well known.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    Addictive personalities have to over come their own problems. For some that may be AA. For others, it is not.

    A person I know told me he knew,with his addictive personality,if he drank like the rest of his family he would be an alcoholic. Instead he became a Minister.

    I know others who drank like fish. They just quit. Every one is different.
    If one can "drink like a fish" and then "just quit" then they, by definition, are not an alcoholic. If one is not an alcoholic then why would they want or need to go to A.A.?

    Of course there is more than one way to overcome an addiction, AA is just one way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    I notice that no one mentioned what brought these people to this place to start with...as in their behavior. Many are quick to ridicule the format and call it slave labor, no one posting (bitching and complaining about something they only have one sided hearsay evidence about)is considering the value learned under this type format. Learning to get up, be responsible and follow rules, not to mention room and board on someone else dime.
    It doesn't surprise me in the least that you would be a champion for slave labor camps.
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