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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    My father would have gone and sat in on the class.

    I shit you not.
    My daughter's principal was a complete asshole, so I took it to the superintendent (not the same issue) and he put the principal in his place. Funny thing...my daughter is now employed by the school board (20 years +), and working in that same school with disabled children. She's 51.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Well the principal replied quickly enough:



    The odds are zero that it was dealt with before the pledge this morning, but I told Evan to simply stall and say that he doesn't have the note yet. I urged him to learn to say this in French, but I'm not sure he'll do that.
    I’m proud of your son! I had Jehovah’s Witnesses who would not stand for the pledge and I would never dream of making them do that. I’m surprised they still have the morning pledge
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isalexi View Post
    I’m surprised they still have the morning pledge.
    I am not sure they should. Children have enough trouble getting along without the school either 1) finding ways to set them apart amongst each other; and/or 2) making it worse by applying peer pressure to conform to what the school (i.e., the state) desires.

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    @Djinn....did you and Djinn Jr. discuss how he wanted to proceed if this "had to go to court"?

    It's the part of the Madelyn Murray O'Hare story that always troubled me. Her son, as an adult, said she profoundly damaged him emotionally by turning him into the plaintiff in her freedom from religion cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    My father would have gone and sat in on the class.

    I shit you not.
    Dude, I love your father
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    Good job Djinn.

    They recite the Pledge at BOE meetings, catches me off guard every time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    @Djinn....did you and Djinn Jr. discuss how he wanted to proceed if this "had to go to court"?

    It's the part of the Madelyn Murray O'Hare story that always troubled me. Her son, as an adult, said she profoundly damaged him emotionally by turning him into the plaintiff in her freedom from religion cases.
    No... We didn't get into it, because I'd dealt with the middle school principal before, and he's always struck me as rational. I was confident that my e-mail would appeal to him in that a) I was nothing short of polite, b) I voiced my assumption that he knew the teacher's actions were wrong, c) I asked that it be dealt with "tactfully," and "without unnecessary friction," and d) I made no threat of litigation.

    In the unlikely event that it was not promptly addressed, I would have dropped identical notes to the Freethought Society of Greater Philadelphia, the Freedom from Religion Foundation, the middle school principal, the local school board, and possibly our local newspaper. Odds are high that the school board would demand that the teacher address the situation before the school receives further negative publicity over the matter.

    In the even-more-unlikely event that it went to court, it would likely be taken up by FFRF lawyers, who would attempt to resolve the situation WITHOUT a court fight, and in the near-impossibly unlikely scenario in which the school district still refuses, I would allow a lawsuit to progress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    No... We didn't get into it, because I'd dealt with the middle school principal before, and he's always struck me as rational. I was confident that my e-mail would appeal to him in that a) I was nothing short of polite, b) I voiced my assumption that he knew the teacher's actions were wrong, c) I asked that it be dealt with "tactfully," and "without unnecessary friction," and d) I made no threat of litigation.

    In the unlikely event that it was not promptly addressed, I would have dropped identical notes to the Freethought Society of Greater Philadelphia, the Freedom from Religion Foundation, the middle school principal, and the local school board. Odds are high that the school board would demand that the teacher address the situation before the school receives negative publicity over the matter.

    In the even-more-unlikely event that it went to court, it would likely be taken up by FFRF lawyers, who would attempt to resolve the situation WITHOUT a court fight, and in the near-impossibly unlikely scenario in which the school district still refuses, I would allow a lawsuit to progress.
    Would you ever consider putting your kid out there as the face of an issue, under any circumstances?

    I think I would have run away from the problem before I let mine be the "face" that conflict centered on, and I'm not sure that's right.

    Remember these kids?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Would you ever consider putting your kid out there as the face of an issue, under any circumstances?

    I think I would have run away from the problem before I let mine be the "face" that conflict centered on, and I'm not sure that's right.

    Remember these kids?
    I'd have to think about that... Offhand, I'm disinclined. My son is going to be in public schools for another four years. I'm not sure I want him to be the public face on this issue.
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