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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    Why do you not know what Liberty means?
    Mr. Drone,

    I do know. Apparently, you don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    He does, to the best of my knowledge. But he doesn't consider the United States to be a "nation under God." When you recite an oath of allegiance, you're accepting the whole parcel. Not just the bits you like.
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    So you say he doesn't agree to one line, and as such, he refuses to stand for justice and liberty for all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    LOL, I've always thought saying it every day was weird. Like there's an expiration date or something. It shows very little trust in our children.

    Even elected government officials only have to take an oath once. Same with getting married.

    Imagine having to repeat your wedding vows every single day.
    That's an artifact of the 1950's Red Scare. It was meant to propagandize the kiddies. They also added "under God" at the same time, to further teach the kiddies to hate those Godless Communists.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...llegiance.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Honestly, not a bad idea, that. So many people have a hard time keeping those vows once they've made them.

    It's good to have rituals that remind us what we're about. I don't know if the pledge is a necessary part of morning school rituals, but having rituals is a good thing.
    Yeah, well, kids don't experience school now they way they did in the 1950's and 1960's. That "ritual" is now a disruptive time-waster and a distraction in 21st century American public schools.

    In My Opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Mr. Djinn,

    So you say he doesn't agree to one line, and as such, he refuses to stand for justice and liberty for all?
    If you were asked to stand up to show support for your country, and the superiority of the white race, would you stand?

    One of my co-workers told me that starting in 1955, in New York, all public schools not only recited the newly-revised (1954) pledge of allegiance, but the Regent's Prayer:

    "Almighty God, we acknowledge our dependence on Thee, and we beg Thy blessings upon us, our parents, our teachers, and our country."

    Seven years later, the Regents Prayer was eliminated from all New York schools.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Yeah, well, kids don't experience school now they way they did in the 1950's and 1960's. That "ritual" is now a disruptive time-waster and a distraction in 21st century American public schools.

    In My Opinion.
    My kids go to a school where that ritual takes about 20 minutes and occurs outside, except in inclement weather. They sing a patriotic song (not the national anthem), listen to some announcements, do some movement (often dancing to music), listen to some short presentation by one of their classes (each teacher's class is responsible for a week during the school year) and sometimes see some sort of short educational presentation for everyone (watching the principal get a flu shot, for example). They send the kids off after they all join hands in little football-like huddles, saying "I going to do my best today!" That's a thousand kids in the courtyard--it's quite a sight. And not at all a waste of time. If they added the Pledge, it wouldn't hurt my feelings. What's an extra 45 seconds?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    If you were asked to stand up to show support for your country, and the superiority of the white race, would you stand?

    One of my co-workers told me that starting in 1955, in New York, all public schools not only recited the newly-revised (1954) pledge of allegiance, but the Regent's Prayer:

    "Almighty God, we acknowledge our dependence on Thee, and we beg Thy blessings upon us, our parents, our teachers, and our country."

    Seven years later, the Regents Prayer was eliminated from all New York schools.
    Mr. Djinn,

    I would not be asked to do that, so the question is moot. Interesting, are you equating Christians with white supremacist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Mr. Djinn,

    I would not be asked to do that, so the question is moot. Interesting, are you equating Christians with white supremacist?
    Even you know he wasn't doing that. He was asking if you would stand in support of something you support if you would also be standing for something awful, i.e. "your country, and the superiority of the white race". If you didn't stand, would it be fair to say you don't support your country?

    It's really not that hard to just read questions and answer them honestly. And you don't know what you would or would not hypothetically be asked to do some time in the future. Do you understand what hypothetical means?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    My kids go to a school where that ritual takes about 20 minutes and occurs outside, except in inclement weather. They sing a patriotic song (not the national anthem), listen to some announcements, do some movement (often dancing to music), listen to some short presentation by one of their classes (each teacher's class is responsible for a week during the school year) and sometimes see some sort of short educational presentation for everyone (watching the principal get a flu shot, for example). They send the kids off after they all join hands in little football-like huddles, saying "I going to do my best today!" That's a thousand kids in the courtyard--it's quite a sight. And not at all a waste of time. If they added the Pledge, it wouldn't hurt my feelings. What's an extra 45 seconds?
    Eggsellent! Your choice of schools has been stellar, it seems.

    (They still need to delete "under God", though............)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Mr. Djinn,

    Wow, 8th grade and he already hates the US and everything it stands for...

    They grow up so fast, wot?....
    Sigh, there’s always one that wants to piss in everyone’s cornflakes....way to completely twist what the thread was about to whine about your personal hang ups.
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