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    My father would have gone and sat in on the class.

    I shit you not.
    My father objected to having to write a note about why I would be out of school for a day or part of a day, as his position was it was none of their business. A note was required, so they got a long one in legalese that went on for a whole page, saying nothing besides Sassy will not be in school on 'x' day because she will.

    After enough of those, teachers and other staff just let me come and go as I pleased. Gave me my little 'pink slips' to do so - easier than dealing with my Dad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    No. I'm asking if you would stand for a national allegiance pledge if it contained elements that did not meet your approval. It's a simple "Yes" or "No."
    Mr. Djinn,

    Yes. But then again, I happen to love my country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    Nobody really believes that, do they? Shit happens, people are wrongly convicted all the time. I think that's more of an idea than a fact. And it's the government's job to always be sure there's some sort of recourse for those who have been failed by the system.

    But it doesn't always work out that way.
    My gosh. It's still an IDEAL. It's good for it to be heard and said over and over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    Of course not. So would you stand for such a pledge if you were (hypothetically) asked to do so? If not, why not?
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    That is like saying would I fly to the moon on gossamer wings if asked to do so. The concept is ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    He does, to the best of my knowledge. But he doesn't consider the United States to be a "nation under God." When you recite an oath of allegiance, you're accepting the whole parcel. Not just the bits you like.
    Not true, you can recite all but that part, and remain silent on that part.

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    My eighth-grade son is taking French as a foreign language. They don't offer it in the middle school building, so he's bused to the local high school in the morning (with several other middle school students) to attend class at the high school, and then they bring him back to the middle school for the remainder of his classes.

    He recently told me that his teacher his giving him a hard time about the Pledge of Allegiance. The teacher insists that he stand up - and he'd rather not. In part, it has to do with the "under God." In part, I suspect it's because he'd prefer to spend the time playing games on his Chromebook. But the reason is irrelevant. Recently, the teacher said he could remain seated during the pledge IF he brought in a signed permission note from his parents.

    There's no way I would write such a permission note. Not because I object to his actions, but because it's illegal for the teacher to request one. So I cautioned my son that I can address this - but there may be consequences. Pissing off a teacher is not something to do lightly. He asked me to proceed anyway, so I wrote the following e-mail, and sent it to the school principal. I worded it carefully; I'm sure that the principal has to deal with plenty of angry correspondences from irate parents - and I didn't want to add to that pile.

    Based on what I know about the school principal, he's pretty level-headed, and will handle this discreetly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Mr. Stan,

    That is like saying would I fly to the moon on gossamer wings if asked to do so. The concept is ridiculous.
    Thatís okay. If you feel like you canít answer, you donít have to. Youíve had plenty of chances. Seems like a pretty easy ďnoĒ to me, but I understand if you feel conflicted about answering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Mr. Djinn,

    Yes. But then again, I happen to love my country.
    Just to confirm - you WOULD stand for a pledge of allegiance that affirms not only allegiance to your nation, but affirms the superiority of the white race. Do I understand your answer correctly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    My eighth-grade son is taking French as a foreign language. They don't offer it in the middle school building, so he's bused to the local high school in the morning (with several other middle school students) to attend class at the high school, and then they bring him back to the middle school for the remainder of his classes.

    He recently told me that his teacher his giving him a hard time about the Pledge of Allegiance. The teacher insists that he stand up - and he'd rather not. In part, it has to do with the "under God." In part, I suspect it's because he'd prefer to spend the time playing games on his Chromebook. But the reason is irrelevant. Recently, the teacher said he could remain seated during the pledge IF he brought in a signed permission note from his parents.

    There's no way I would write such a permission note. Not because I object to his actions, but because it's illegal for the teacher to request one. So I cautioned my son that I can address this - but there may be consequences. Pissing off a teacher is not something to do lightly. He asked me to proceed anyway, so I wrote the following e-mail, and sent it to the school principal. I worded it carefully; I'm sure that the principal has to deal with plenty of angry correspondences from irate parents - and I didn't want to add to that pile.

    Based on what I know about the school principal, he's pretty level-headed, and will handle this discreetly.
    Mr. Djinn,

    I guess on the plus side, he is never asking you for money. Ethical person he is, he would never sully himself to possess something that has "In God We Trust" splashed all over it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Just to confirm - you WOULD stand for a pledge of allegiance that affirms not only allegiance to your nation, but affirms the superiority of the white race. Do I understand your answer correctly?
    ??

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