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    Public School Students / Pledge of Allegiance

    My eighth-grade son is taking French as a foreign language. They don't offer it in the middle school building, so he's bused to the local high school in the morning (with several other middle school students) to attend class at the high school, and then they bring him back to the middle school for the remainder of his classes.

    He recently told me that his teacher his giving him a hard time about the Pledge of Allegiance. The teacher insists that he stand up - and he'd rather not. In part, it has to do with the "under God." In part, I suspect it's because he'd prefer to spend the time playing games on his Chromebook. But the reason is irrelevant. Recently, the teacher said he could remain seated during the pledge IF he brought in a signed permission note from his parents.

    There's no way I would write such a permission note. Not because I object to his actions, but because it's illegal for the teacher to request one. So I cautioned my son that I can address this - but there may be consequences. Pissing off a teacher is not something to do lightly. He asked me to proceed anyway, so I wrote the following e-mail, and sent it to the school principal. I worded it carefully; I'm sure that the principal has to deal with plenty of angry correspondences from irate parents - and I didn't want to add to that pile.

    Based on what I know about the school principal, he's pretty level-headed, and will handle this discreetly.

    Greetings Dr. *****,

    My son (****** *********, 8th grade / French) is having a minor ongoing problem with his French teacher, Ms. *******. For whatever reason, ****** does not wish to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance in the morning, and would prefer to sit quietly. Ms. ******* has been giving him a hard time, and she has now told him that if he wishes to remain seated, she requires a permission note from me.

    As I’m sure you’re aware, students are not required to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance, nor can they be singled out, or required to justify their choice to remain seated. In addition, students cannot be asked to obtain parental approval to be exempt from the pledge.

    I don’t wish to create unnecessary friction between ****** and his teacher, but per U.S. Supreme Court ruling West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette (1943), ****** is exercising his First Amendment rights to remain seated, provided that he is not disruptive during the recitation.

    If you could find a tactful way to convey this to Ms. *******, I would appreciate it.

    Thank you,

    ***** *********

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    Please let us know how this turns out.
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    Well the principal replied quickly enough:

    Hello, Mr. ******,

    Thank you for contacting me with this concern. Please know we will look into the issue this morning.

    Have a great holiday weekend!

    ****** *******, Ed.D.
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    The odds are zero that it was dealt with before the pledge this morning, but I told Evan to simply stall and say that he doesn't have the note yet. I urged him to learn to say this in French, but I'm not sure he'll do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    My eighth-grade son is taking French as a foreign language. They don't offer it in the middle school building, so he's bused to the local high school in the morning (with several other middle school students) to attend class at the high school, and then they bring him back to the middle school for the remainder of his classes.

    He recently told me that his teacher his giving him a hard time about the Pledge of Allegiance. The teacher insists that he stand up - and he'd rather not. In part, it has to do with the "under God." In part, I suspect it's because he'd prefer to spend the time playing games on his Chromebook. But the reason is irrelevant. Recently, the teacher said he could remain seated during the pledge IF he brought in a signed permission note from his parents.

    There's no way I would write such a permission note. Not because I object to his actions, but because it's illegal for the teacher to request one. So I cautioned my son that I can address this - but there may be consequences. Pissing off a teacher is not something to do lightly. He asked me to proceed anyway, so I wrote the following e-mail, and sent it to the school principal. I worded it carefully; I'm sure that the principal has to deal with plenty of angry correspondences from irate parents - and I didn't want to add to that pile.

    Based on what I know about the school principal, he's pretty level-headed, and will handle this discreetly.
    My father would have gone and sat in on the class.

    I shit you not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Well the principal replied quickly enough:



    The odds are zero that it was dealt with before the pledge this morning, but I told Evan to simply stall and say that he doesn't have the note yet. I urged him to learn to say this in French, but I'm not sure he'll do that.
    If you have a son that young you are way younger than I thought you were My kids are almost 50.....
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    My son reported that he was hassled by the teacher again on Friday morning. Expected, of course - there's no way the principal could have addressed it before then. Curious to see what happens next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    My son reported that he was hassled by the teacher again on Friday morning. Expected, of course - there's no way the principal could have addressed it before then. Curious to see what happens next week.
    Me, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    My father would have gone and sat in on the class.

    I shit you not.
    My mother would've written a note to the teacher explaining why she wouldn't be writing a note to the teacher.

    I shit you not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    My mother would've written a note to the teacher explaining why she wouldn't be writing a note to the teacher.

    I shit you not.
    My mother would have gone down there and grab her by the hair of the head and punched her. Lorreti Lynn style. My momma was country.



    hiding behind my momma's apron was the safest place in the world.
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    Well, I asked my son how it went with his teacher this week. He said that he sat for the pledge, and the teacher didn't say a word about it. Not exactly a dramatic turn of events, but it's exactly what I hoped for. It sounds like the principal handled it with discretion, and the matter is ended.

    I just hope that the teacher doesn't take it out on him.
    Last edited by Djinn; 25th February 2018 at 06:55 AM.
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