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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartibartfast View Post
    Why hasn't the constitution been updated to keep up with social evolution?

    America of today is quite different to the 1700's but people keep reverting back to the constitution. The initial thought process behind the amendments at that time may have been relevant and ideal, maybe some still are. But certainly with the 2nd amendment, it hasn't kept in pace with technology.

    If you do what you've always done, you will get what you've always got.
    Something like the constitution had never been done before. There were either dictatorships or monarchies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBob View Post
    The second amendment is the most volatile for gun lovers and the NRA. Those people do not wish to have their "rights" impeded in anyway. When the constitution was written guns were a shot a minute and a militia was required by every county for security in the sense of police. Also in time of war they would be ready to fight any invader.
    Todays gun nuts have no desire to be a militia or even get into a gun fight. They are only bold when shooting animals in the wild from their blinds. The second has needed to be amended for years but every congressperson is scared of the NRA and gun nuts.
    So do you support counties or states to have militias with SAM's and automatic weapons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    Your 2nd amendment states in plain English the right to maintain a well regulated melitia.

    It says the word regulated.

    It says the word melitia.

    Using that as the basis to insist on a right of a person to carry a firearm to go shopping in public is simply not honest.

    Your courts disagree but itís just plain, basic English comprehension.

    Well. Regulated. Melitia.

    The argument is stupid. Itís blatantly dishonest.
    And you are misinterpreting what they meant by well-regulated.

    Regulated meant to be in a state of preparedness, to be ready to fight. That makes much more sense than what you are saying.

    Think about it. If the second amendment was written to protect citizens against the tyranny of the state, why in the ever loving fuck would they give the state the power to "regulate" them, so well? Lol, Jesus use your critical thinking skills.

    You guys talk about social evolution without talking about linguistic evolution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    This is true.

    Those who believe the second amendment is an inalienable right are living with a false sense of security. Because we could easily lose it.
    It would only happen due to whackos like cruz and those who fight so vociferously for him to have that right. If the constitution were to say you have the right to bear arms as long as you have demonstrated you are responsible enough to do so we would not have the problems we have today. That is not to say we will never have shootings but the number of them would drop drastically with the appropriate laws governing their sale and ownership. That is simply common sense.

    What I find ironic is that those who are so concerned about cruz's right to own a gun are the ones that will be responsible for more restrictions when they come. If an assault weapons ban were to come back, which it probably will, it will be them that caused it by insisting people like cruz be allowed to buy them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by libertariat720 View Post
    And you are misinterpreting what they meant by well-regulated.

    Regulated meant to be in a state of preparedness, to be ready to fight. That makes much more sense than what you are saying.

    Think about it. If the second amendment was written to protect citizens against the tyranny of the state, why in the ever loving fuck would they give the state the power to "regulate" them, so well? Lol, Jesus use your critical thinking skills.

    You guys talk about social evolution without talking about linguistic evolution.
    No that is fucking stupid. Regulated means regulated and prepared means prepared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    No that is fucking stupid. Regulated means regulated and prepared means prepared.
    Right, because your interpretation would basically render the entire intention of the 2nd amendment moot.

    Now that is fucking stupid.

    Why are dogs allowed on the computer anyways?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    Please propose a change in law that you believe will prevent criminals and crazy people from acquiring guns. I'd be really interested in how that would work.
    Five years in prison or $5000 fine or both for selling a gun to someone illegally, meaning without a strict background check. The black market for guns would dry up overnight.

    Strict background checks that would identify people like cruz and deny them the right to buy a firearm.

    Those 2 would cause a drastic drop in the number school shootings and the number of criminals with guns as well as NOT deny any law abiding citizen the right to own one, assault rifle or otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartibartfast View Post
    Impossible.

    You probably find that the massacres committed are not by felons. All you can do is take a certain type/range of guns out of the system and as time passes coupled with amnesty hand in days, there will be less and less in the system.

    If someone wants to be a criminal, there's no stopping them. That is not the focus. It's trying to stop law abiding citizens murdering one another with guns

    Reducing crime is handled by length of prison terms and rehabilitation programmes. Different focus.
    Yes it would be impossible to prevent all shootings but not impossible to drastically prevent the number of them. What would be impossible is confiscation, that is as long as the right who want people like cruz to have them would get their heads out of their asses and allow for responsible gun control. If it ever comes to the confiscation of guns it will be those on the right that will be responsible for it happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by libertariat720 View Post
    So do you support counties or states to have militias with SAM's and automatic weapons?
    States already have national guards that have both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by libertariat720 View Post
    Right, because your interpretation would basically render the entire intention of the 2nd amendment moot.

    Now that is fucking stupid.

    Why are dogs allowed on the computer anyways?
    Anyways?


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