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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    Perhaps oversimplified, but for the most part, yes. Certainly for equal rights for all people regardless of income or accident of birth.
    Then we simply disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    I'm in favor of a free market, if we're really going to have one. If companies can go to Mexico to get cheaper priced labor, then laborers can come to the US to get a better price for their labor.

    I'm not saying that a free market is necessarily the best way forward, but if it's going to be a free market, let's quit lying and pretending that it already is or that we are anywhere close to it, and go ahead and have one. If we are going to acknowledge that it's not a free market and that no one really wants that, that might be better, and then we can discuss what kind of restrictions we want.
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    I never meant to imply that you did. I just meant that I believe that if rich people can go wherever they want to make more money, then poor people should be able to as well.
    That's a very good point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    Your conflation between an illegal immigrant and a murderer/robber is unfortunately what is precisely at stake when it comes to our fear of strangers, as exemplified by Trump calling them thieves and rapists.

    As to your lack of sympathy, well...
    Are you suggesting that humans have a basic civil right to live, work, vote etc. in every nation on earth?

    Such a position doesn't seem reconcilable with government of any kind.

    I'm confused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Are you suggesting that humans have a basic civil right to live, work, vote etc. in every nation on earth?

    Such a position doesn't seem reconcilable with government of any kind.

    I'm confused.
    That's what we basically have in the EU + Switzerland + Norway + Lichtenstein + Iceland.

    And it doesn't seem to be irreconcilable with government of any kind.

    I don't see why it couldn't be done on a larger scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    I never meant to imply that you did. I just meant that I believe that if rich people can go wherever they want to make more money, then poor people should be able to as well.
    A particularly valid way of looking at it.
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