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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Maybe in America. The Russian ones are folks who had to survive some pretty nasty persecution back in the Soviet era, and are now back under threat... Have some compassion.
    No compassion.
    They choose to follow their fake cult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Well, I certainly have no personal obligation to defend them. I've known a few people over the years who were part of the church, but neither myself nor my family has been.
    I don't know.

    As an American, I've always supported and believed in our first amendment even though I am personally agnostic.
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    That seems a tad extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
    I don't know.

    As an American, I've always supported and believed in our first amendment even though I am personally agnostic.

    Oh, I support the 1st, but that alone doesn't obligate me to defend any particular religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One View Post
    No compassion.
    They choose to follow their fake cult.
    Dude, you're being extreme. You don't see me hating the entire nation of Georgians, even though they launched a fucking war on my people when I was a kid, on my family, shelled and destroyed our home, etc.

    Neither should you hate an entire religion, just because some representatives of it did you wrong, way back when. Hatred is unhealthy, frankly...
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    They are the reason I was forced to leave home at 15 years old.
    They also will hide child molesters and wife beaters from law enforcement.
    Yes, they are much more dangerous than credible religions.
    I had a student who fled a JW marriage. She wasn't allowed to take her kids with her and was terrified of the church if she tried. She said, they pretty much told her that she could leave but it was in her best interests to leave her children with the church and father. They are very aggressive with recruitment efforts. I had one grab my arm through my car window as I was backing out of my drive way one morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    I had a student who fled a JW marriage. She wasn't allowed to take her kids with her and was terrified of the church if she tried. She said, they pretty much told her that she could leave but it was in her best interests to leave her children with the church and father.
    And how was the divorce handled ... ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    And how was the divorce handled ... ?

    Good question. It has always been my understanding that the state, rather than the church, grants divorces here in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Good question. It has always been my understanding that the state, rather than the church, grants divorces here in the US.
    That understanding is correct, though some religions have requirements for a religious divorce also. For example, in Judaism, a civil divorce is (obviously) valid for purposes of the civil law, but the person is still considered married as far as Jewish law goes unless the requirements for a Jewish divorce are met. Similar things are also true of various Xians sects, probably Islam as well, and conceivably other religions as well. Naturally, the civil divorce and religious divorce are not related.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehova...s_and_morality

    Thus, Jehovah's Witnesses have religious requirements for divorce (only effective within the religion, of course) that are distinct from effecting a civil divorce. My question was meant to discover how the civil divorce was handled (specifically, with or without attorneys), though I suppose it would be interesting to know how (if at all) the religious divorce was handled, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    That understanding is correct, though some religions have requirements for a religious divorce also. For example, in Judaism, a civil divorce is (obviously) valid for purposes of the civil law, but the person is still considered married as far as Jewish law goes unless the requirements for a Jewish divorce are met. Similar things are also true of various Xians sects, probably Islam as well, and conceivably other religions as well. Naturally, the civil divorce and religious divorce are not related.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehova...s_and_morality

    Thus, Jehovah's Witnesses have religious requirements for divorce (only effective within the religion, of course) that are distinct from effecting a civil divorce. My question was meant to discover how the civil divorce was handled (specifically, with or without attorneys), though I suppose it would be interesting to know how (if at all) the religious divorce was handled, too.

    Oh, I understand that various churches have their religious opinions regarding divorce. The Catholics certainly come to mind when discussing this issue. Still, the US is not (at least, not yet) a theocracy, and so the church has no authority to override the state in regard to marriage or divorce from a legal standpoint, and that's all that really matters regarding issues of child custody in a divorce proceeding.

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