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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    No, not a hybrid, a chimera! For example, scientists have created a geep: an animal where half of the cells are sheep cells and half of the cells are goat cells. It CANNOT reproduce, yet is a functioning organism. I'll go find a link. Here it is:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheep%...93goat_chimera

    I was incorrect in saying that it cannot reproduce!
    "Combining the embryos"? I had no idea this is possible.

    Freaky!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    "Combining the embryos"? I had no idea this is possible.

    Freaky!
    It IS freaky, because it would be theoretically possible to create, well, a human/pig chimera, or a human/armadillo chimera, or a human/alligator chimera, or almost anything you could think of, though no one knows if ANY of those organisms would be viable, or would die before reaching maturity. So far, as far as I know, we have only tried to create chimeras between closely related organisms....I THINK. Or did I hear of a human/mouse chimera that was briefly created, but then immediately destroyed.....?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Bottom line is, "racial identity" matters more to humans than simple biology would suggest is rational.
    I was not questioning that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    It IS freaky, because it would be theoretically possible to create, well, a human/pig chimera, or a human/armadillo chimera, or a human/alligator chimera, or almost anything you could think of, though no one knows if ANY of those organisms would be viable, or would die before reaching maturity. So far, as far as I know, we have only tried to create chimeras between closely related organisms....I THINK. Or did I hear of a human/mouse chimera that was briefly created, but then immediately destroyed.....?
    Or ... ManBearPig!



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ManBearPig

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    I was not questioning that.
    I know!

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    If we think humans do something illogical should we assume that it is illogical. Human behavior is probably inherently programmed for survival and distrust of strangers or people that look different. It's bigger than the USA. Civilization can probably control that but making a law against it is just going to provoke. You can't change inherent behaviors but you can keep them under control.

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    Chimeras are definitely interesting. There are even chimeras amongst humans. One type is called a tetragametic chimera, which involves a fusion of two zygotes:

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa013452

    I was sufficiently fascinated by this case study that I referenced it in a paper I wrote, along with telephonic interviews with two of the authors of the study.

    There are several articles on the subject (including the Wikipedia pages) that one can find by Googling "tetragametic chimera."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Because irrational hatred of strangers based on their appearance is a fairly common coping strategy for humans.
    Actually fear of 'others' is an inborn survival mechanism.

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    Different races does not = different species.
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    It does, IF the speaker asserts there is a biological science basis for classifying humans this way.
    No, it doesn't. Anthropologists can determine race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    No, it doesn't. Anthropologists can determine race.
    Exactly how many races are there in the world, Sassy?

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