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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Exactly how many races are there in the world, Sassy?
    I go by the model of mongloids, negroids, and caucasions, and then there are ethnicities within those. (Did I just spell all of those wrongly?)

    Regarding ethnicities of caucasions, I find it funny when people who care about 'whiteness' are confronted with Indians and Arabs being in their group. Most hispanics are also.

    But I guess they are using Hitler's model as to who is 'white'. Not synonymous to caucasion. To me it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    I go by the model of mongloids, negroids, and caucasions, and then there are ethnicities within those. (Did I just spell all of those wrongly?)

    Regarding ethnicities of caucasions, I find it funny when people who care about 'whiteness' are confronted with Indians and Arabs being in their group. Most hispanics are also.

    But I guess they are using Hitler's model as to who is 'white'. Not synonymous to caucasion. To me it is.
    I think you would have to search long and hard to find ANY modern anthropologist who would accept your notion that there are THREE major races of humankind. Right away, we notice some groups that simply do not FIT into that classification: the Australian aborigines, for example. And there are very dark-skinned peoples living in Southeast Asia who are not at all closely related to the 'negroids' of Africa. For that matter, the pygmies of Africa and the Khoisan people of southwest Africa are only distantly related to the other peoples of Africa, notably the Bantu peoples. It is just not that simple. There is no neat classification scheme for human races. Which is WHY most modern anthropologists have come to reject the notion of 'race' rather entirely. Certainly, we can talk about distinct ethnic groups. The Japanese are a fine example of that. As are the Australian aborigines. But it makes NO sense to lump them both together in a 'Mongoloid' group or 'race'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    I go by the model of mongloids, negroids, and caucasions, and then there are ethnicities within those. (Did I just spell all of those wrongly?)
    "Caucasoid." Or "Caucasian."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    "Caucasoid." Or "Caucasian."
    Well, and it would be 'Mongoloid', not 'Mongloid'. But I don't usually go around correcting spelling miscues, unless I'm feeling grumpy or unless the person I am correcting has been intellectually arrogant in some way. But this idea of 'three major races' was abandoned in anthropology more than half a century ago. It just doesn't fit the empirical evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Well, and it would be 'Mongoloid', not 'Mongloid'.
    Oops, missed that one.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    But I don't usually go around correcting spelling miscues, unless I'm feeling grumpy or unless the person I am correcting has been intellectually arrogant in some way.
    She asked if she had spelled them correctly. Otherwise, I would not have done so.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    But this idea of 'three major races' was abandoned in anthropology more than half a century ago. It just doesn't fit the empirical evidence.
    I don't remember that coming up in my Anthropology 101 class back around '94, I think it was. But then, I remember very little about that class, anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    I think you would have to search long and hard to find ANY modern anthropologist who would accept your notion that there are THREE major races of humankind. Right away, we notice some groups that simply do not FIT into that classification: the Australian aborigines, for example. And there are very dark-skinned peoples living in Southeast Asia who are not at all closely related to the 'negroids' of Africa. For that matter, the pygmies of Africa and the Khoisan people of southwest Africa are only distantly related to the other peoples of Africa, notably the Bantu peoples. It is just not that simple. There is no neat classification scheme for human races. Which is WHY most modern anthropologists have come to reject the notion of 'race' rather entirely. Certainly, we can talk about distinct ethnic groups. The Japanese are a fine example of that. As are the Australian aborigines. But it makes NO sense to lump them both together in a 'Mongoloid' group or 'race'.
    Well, I am not trying to argue it, I just answered your question. I don't go around saying terms like Negroid or Caucasoid or Mongoloid, I just go off that model. In part, because the US Census does, though they do not use those terms either.

    I was in a hurry to walk the Canis familiaris, so I didn't look up correct spellings.

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