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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Hellh0und View Post
    So, then that begs the question. if the reason black people are segregated today is due to white people, is the same true for hispanics, asians, italians, irish, jewish, and muslim neighborhoods?
    It is not true for Jewish neighborhoods, at least, since Orthodox Jews need to be together in a Jewish community for various reasons - the most obvious of which is to be within reasonable walking distance of a shul (synagogue).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Hellh0und View Post
    So, then that begs the question. if the reason black people are segregated today is due to white people, is the same true for hispanics, asians, italians, irish, jewish, and muslim neighborhoods?



    anyway specific to your link. If I live in newark and want to open a nail salon, it will cost me thousands of dollars to do so just to get the licensing, plus I need to go to cosmotology school and pay for that as well.


    with all the fees and licensing and schooling I need which are laws created by liberal local governments, tell me, who is keeping people down?


    also where do you see "conservatives" in your links?
    Gee, I dont know, why dont you put forward some links showing where there were policies that targeted those groups specifically, then we can have that discussion, otherwise that is just called a red herring. Notice in my post I said social conservatives, that is the ideology that created caste systems here in the US, like Jim Crow, black code laws, and the police state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Hellh0und View Post
    they do? is it valid?
    You tell me, your ideology, or I should say, the ideology that you defend, are the ones that bring up crime rates whenever gun laws are being discussed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    It is not true for Jewish neighborhoods, at least, since Orthodox Jews need to be together in a Jewish community for various reasons - the most obvious of which is to be within reasonable walking distance of a shul (synagogue).


    Same went for catholics, etc. the point is people self segregate. blaming white people for black people all living in the same neighborhoods is garbage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATLglock View Post
    Gee, I dont know, why dont you put forward some links showing where there were policies that targeted those groups specifically, then we can have that discussion, otherwise that is just called a red herring. Notice in my post I said social conservatives, that is the ideology that created caste systems here in the US, like Jim Crow, black code laws, and the police state.



    Jim crow laws?


    that was a democrat party apartheid.



    Black code laws, again democrat party


    and the police state?


    that was bill fucking clinton. he started it with the 1033 program giving tanks to cops, tested via waco.



    how do you think it was conservatives who pushed a police state?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATLglock View Post
    You tell me, your ideology, or I should say, the ideology that you defend, are the ones that bring up crime rates whenever gun laws are being discussed.


    what are you babbling about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    I said nothing about "institutional power structures."


    There is nothing that can be done, though, which is the point. It is presented as what Rev.H. stated as "original sin," which by definition is inherent.
    I have presented no such thing, and I'm saddened that you've chosen to interpret it that way.

    You have perfectly demonstrated the single most common knee jerk defensive reaction I always get whenever the topic is even mentioned, and it's why I tend to avoid it (which is exactly what you're not supposed to do). I've been talking about this subject for 18 years, and I wish I had a dollar for every word that's ever been put in my mouth. It's fucking infuriating. I can hardly imagine what it must be like for PoC, who are confronted with these facts several times a day, and if they bring it up, they're accused of "playing the race card".

    I honestly thought your reasoning abilities would see through the surrounding hysteria, but it's not the first time I've been wrong about something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Hellh0und View Post
    Jim crow laws?


    that was a democrat party apartheid.



    Black code laws, again democrat party


    and the police state?


    that was bill fucking clinton. he started it with the 1033 program giving tanks to cops, tested via waco.



    how do you think it was conservatives who pushed a police state?
    Yea, the same democrats that created the KKK and everything.....except you, like others with your ideology does all the time, conflate party with ideology. Pick up a history book sometime and read, then you will realize that party labels did not dictate ideology prior to 1964, because there was both conservative and liberal members in both parties, the only separation between them at the time was geographical location, which is why when the 1964 voting rights bill, known as the CRA was passed, and the south voted overwhelming against it and the north voted overwhelming for it, regardless of party identification, drew the line in the sand as to which party the conservative ideology chose to identify with. It is truly amazing how a grown adult does not understand the difference between a democrat today and a dixiecrat, but still talks as if they know what they are talking about.

    But, don't take my word for it, let's look a the vote breakdown......
    Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.



    The original House version:



    Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)

    Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)

    Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)

    Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)



    The Senate version:

    Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)

    Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)

    Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)

    Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)
    So, when you make statements like this "that was a democrat party apartheid.", it is either partisan hackery or willful ignorance...which is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Hellh0und View Post
    what are you babbling about?
    Next time, just wave a white flag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATLglock View Post
    Yea, the same democrats that created the KKK and everything.....except you, like others with your ideology does all the time, conflate party with ideology. Pick up a history book sometime and read, then you will realize that party labels did not dictate ideology prior to 1964, because there was both conservative and liberal members in both parties, the only separation between them at the time was geographical location, which is why when the 1964 voting rights bill, known as the CRA was passed, and the south voted overwhelming against it and the north voted overwhelming for it, regardless of party identification, drew the line in the sand as to which party the conservative ideology chose to identify with. It is truly amazing how a grown adult does not understand the difference between a democrat today and a dixiecrat, but still talks as if they know what they are talking about.

    But, don't take my word for it, let's look a the vote breakdown......

    So, when you make statements like this "that was a democrat party apartheid.", it is either partisan hackery or willful ignorance...which is it?



    It's no more or less hackish then looking at the 1800's and the 60's democrats and suggesting this is modern republicanism. it's hackery at it's finest.
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