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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    A completely baseless thing to believe. It's one of those things people can get away with saying confidently with absolutely no evidence to back it up.



    Well you're clearly quite "bias" but mostly just towards things you want to believe without evidence. Believe it or not, people can actually learn and stop believing in things for which there is no evidence. It's like you're saying you support individuality, so you don't want people to be taught that the world is round.

    You're content to allow ignorance to reign supreme in the preservation of "individuality". There's nothing "individual" about being one of millions of ignorant rubes. It does make a population easy to rule though, so there's that.
    How about human history dude? Ever hear of it? Like race based slavery being like 3 or 4 thousand years old?
    Enslavement simply for being culturally different?
    Genocide for being different or thinking differently?
    As i said, history.
    Individuality doesnt include delusion. I believe in strong education. As i believe you should go get one

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNHarley View Post
    How about human history dude? Ever hear of it? Like race based slavery being like 3 or 4 thousand years old?
    Enslavement simply for being culturally different?
    Genocide for being different or thinking differently?
    As i said, history.
    Individuality doesnt include delusion. I believe in strong education. As i believe you should go get one
    Well you need to do a bit more research on the history of slavery.

    The depiction of African people as lazy, violent, oversexed and dangerous coincides precisely with the transatlantic slave trade. European people just didn't have this conception of black people before then. Not in the middle ages, when black people were plentiful in Spain and Sicily. Nor in the middle east, where black people had moved back and forth from West Africa since the days of Moses. It just didn't exist.

    If you want to claim that the enslavement of people over 500 years prior to the North American Slave Trade is comparable at all, you'll have a steep road to climb. Slavery back then was mostly punishment for crimes, or punishment after losing a war, and was usually only a temporary sentence. There was no concept of a "race" of people who were destined to be slaves in Europe until the the discovery of the New World. The very idea of "race" in it's modern sense didn't exist. Mostly it just meant "tribe" like Gauls vs Teutons.

    As you said, history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    Well you need to do a bit more research on the history of slavery.

    The depiction of African people as lazy, violent, oversexed and dangerous coincides precisely with the transatlantic slave trade. European people just didn't have this conception of black people before then. Not in the middle ages, when black people were plentiful in Spain and Sicily. Nor in the middle east, where black people had moved back and forth from West Africa since the days of Moses. It just didn't exist.

    If you want to claim that the enslavement of people over 500 years prior to the North American Slave Trade is comparable at all, you'll have a steep road to climb. Slavery back then was mostly punishment for crimes, or punishment after losing a war, and was usually only a temporary sentence. There was no concept of a "race" of people who were destined to be slaves in Europe until the the discovery of the New World. The very idea of "race" in it's modern sense didn't exist. Mostly it just meant "tribe" like Gauls vs Teutons.

    As you said, history.
    Roman slave trading was mostly based on natio. Which is latin for nationality or race.
    I was not comparing that to what america did, and african tribal leaders did, to their people. Please dont stray from my actual point. This isnt about american slavery. This is about human nature.
    Prejudice is human nature.
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0525105357.htm
    https://www.psychologicalscience.org...-thinking.html
    Maybe you can go argue with them. I am sure they would love to debate common knowledge

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    Mr. Rasselas,

    True, it is a burden being white, but we shall overcome.
    An ugly joke. It fits you, somehow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    An ugly joke. It fits you, somehow.
    Mr. Rasselas,

    You said it, not me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    An ugly joke. It fits you, somehow.
    sarcasm escapes you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNHarley View Post
    Prejudice is human nature.
    In group and out group is human nature, certainly. But is it a fixed feature? Like most traits, it's probably a result of natural selection, but is it adaptive in the contemporary world? It is adaptive in a pluralistic society? Seems not.

    Certainly every major religion aims at reducing that very human, self-righteous sense of exclusive group identity. Christians define "neighbor" as everyone and insist that we must love them. Islam favors group identity based on belief but not on genetics. Buddhism urges us to kill the self, which is the basis of all identity beliefs. Hinduism identifies the human soul as transmigrating between not just all human bodies but all creatures generally. Instilling a sense of oneness between all humans is a defining feature of the most successful human ethical systems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Mr. Rasselas,

    You said it, not me.
    No. You twisted it to mean the opposite of what I clearly meant. You're just being an ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNHarley View Post
    Roman slave trading was mostly based on natio. Which is latin for nationality or race.
    Thanks for reiterating what I just said.

    I was not comparing that to what america did, and african tribal leaders did, to their people. Please dont stray from my actual point. This isnt about american slavery. This is about human nature.
    Prejudice is human nature.
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0525105357.htm
    https://www.psychologicalscience.org...-thinking.html
    Maybe you can go argue with them. I am sure they would love to debate common knowledge
    You need to learn to read as well as comprehend. Simply saying that prejudice is human nature doesn't mean that people can't be taught that their initial reactions can be, and often are wrong. I suppose it's "natural" for people to be afraid of thunder, but that doesn't mean we should just allow people to remain so stupid that they react like cavemen in the service of a pretend "individuality".

    It's rare that I get to see someone so enthusiastically defend ignorance over education, but you're doing as good a job as can be done. Hat's off for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    Thanks for reiterating what I just said.



    You need to learn to read as well as comprehend. Simply saying that prejudice is human nature doesn't mean that people can't be taught that their initial reactions can be, and often are wrong. I suppose it's "natural" for people to be afraid of thunder, but that doesn't mean we should just allow people to remain so stupid that they react like cavemen in the service of a pretend "individuality".

    It's rare that I get to see someone so enthusiastically defend ignorance over education, but you're doing as good a job as can be done. Hat's off for that.
    I didnt say it couldnt be. I called it ignorance, which implies being taught is possible. But a large amount of people cant be taught. A lot fo people arent willing to listen. Much less open their minds.

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