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    Ive also noticed this.

    It started with video games.

    Call of Duty. First time ever, you could be the Nazis.

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    I re-read for the third time my favorite 3 books in the Eternal Champion series by Michael Moorcock - An Alien Heat, The Hollow Lands, and The End of All Songs. Found the used paperbacks online for $1.99 each.

    Unlike the 6 novel original Elric saga, and the 6 novel Corum / Castle Brass books - and the highly recommended Eternal Champion, Dancers at the End of Time hardcover editions - these aren't the extended,and revised White Wolf publishing hardcover editions. In a way - the original Dancers at the End of Time paperbacks are superior because the comedic, hillarious parts seem more emphatic.





    Michael Moorcock has a dim view of his Fantasy, Sci-Fi peers howver...and I would agree, the dull slow moving Lord of the Rings never sold well until Dungeons and Dragons game came out in the 1970s.

    Starship Stormtroopers, essay

    by Micheal Moorcock

    "John W. Campbell, who in the late thirties took over Astounding Science Fiction Stories and created what many believe to be a major revolution in the development of sf, was the chief creator of the school known to buffs as 'Golden Age' sf and written by the likes of Heinlein, Asimov and A.E. Van Vogt wild-eyed paternalists to a man, fierce anti-socialists, whose work reflected the deep-seated conservatism of the majority of their readers, who saw a Bolshevik menace in every union meeting. They believed, in common with authoritarians everywhere, that radicals wanted to take over old-fashioned political power, turn the world into a uniform mass of 'workers' with themselves (the radicals) as commissars. They offered us such visions, when they attempted any overt discussion of politics at all. They were about as left-wing as The National Enquirer or The Saturday Evening Post (where their stories occasionally were to appear). They were xenophobic, smug and confident that the capitalist system would flourish throughout the universe, though they were, of course, against dictators and the worst sort of exploiters (no longer Jews but often still 'aliens'). Rugged individualism was the most sophisticated political concept they could manage -- in the pulp tradition, the Code of the West became the Code of the Space Frontier, and a spaceship captain had to do what a spaceship captain had to do... "

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    "This sort of implicit paternalism is seen in high relief in the currently popular Star Wars series which also presents a somewhat disturbing anti-rationalism in its quasi-religious 'Force' which unites the Jedi Knights (are we back to Wellsian 'samurai' again?) and upon whose power they can draw, like some holy brotherhood, some band of Knights Templar. Star Wars is a pure example of the genre (in that it is a compendium of other people's ideas) in its implicit structure -- quasi-children, fighting for a paternalistic authority, win through in the end and stand bashfully before the princess while medals are placed around their necks.

    Star Wars carries the paternalistic messages of almost all generic adventure fiction (may the Force never arrive on your doorstep at three o'clock in the morning) and has all the right characters. it raises 'instinct' above reason (a fundamental to Nazi doctrine) and promotes a kind of sentimental romanticism attractive to the young and idealistic while protective of existing institutions. It is the essence of a genre that it continues to promote certain implicit ideas even if the author is unconscious of them. In this case the audience also seems frequently unconscious of them. "


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    Here he has this to say about Lord of the Rings - from the above essay ..

    "there is Tolkein and that group of middle-class Christian fantasists who constantly sing the praises of bourgeois virtues and whose villains are thinly disguised working class agitators" -

    and more recently in The New Statesman ...

    Michael Moorcock: “I think Tolkien was a crypto-fascist”

    "Moorcock made the conflict explicit in a jeremiad against the old inkling entitled “Epic Pooh” (as in Winnie-the-Pooh), which accused Tolkien of propagating a *sentimental Luddism while blithely promoting war.

    “I think he’s a crypto-fascist,” says Moorcock, laughing. “In Tolkien, everyone’s in their place and happy to be there. We go there and back, to where we started. There’s no escape, nothing will ever change and nobody will ever break out of this well-*ordered world.” How does he feel about the triumph of Tolkienism and, subsequently, the political sword-and-sorcery epic Game of Thrones, in making fantasy arguably bigger than it has ever been?

    “To me, it’s simple,” he says. “Fantasy became as bland as everything else in entertainment. To be a bestseller, you’ve got to rub the corners off"


    https://www.newstatesman.com/culture...crypto-fascist

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    STAR WARS VII main woman protagonist becomes an instantt ready - made, trained Jedi Warrior without the necessary HEROS JOURNEY STRUGGLE ... (Joseph Campbell) and STAR WARS VII therefore has no believable Sci-Fi / Fantasy storyline ...

    George Lucas was a follower of Joseph Campbells philosophy and HEROS JOURNEY archetype as were many Sci-Fi / Fantasy writers of the 1970s - I'm a GenX-er, and its an important facet of the story ...

    "George Lucas was the first Hollywood filmmaker to credit Campbell's influence. Lucas stated, following the release of the first Star Wars film in 1977, that its story was shaped, in part, by ideas described in The Hero with a Thousand Faces and other works of Campbell's. The linkage between Star Wars and Campbell was further reinforced when later reprints of Campbell's book used the image of Mark Hamill as Luke Skywalker on the cover.[41] Lucas discusses this influence at great length in the authorized biography of Joseph Campbell, A Fire in the Mind:



    " I [Lucas] came to the conclusion after American Graffiti that what's valuable for me is to set standards, not to show people the world the way it is...around the period of this realization...it came to me that there really was no modern use of mythology...The Western was possibly the last generically American fairy tale, telling us about our values. And once the Western disappeared, nothing has ever taken its place. In literature we were going off into science fiction...so that's when I started doing more strenuous research on fairy tales, folklore, and mythology, and I started reading Joe's books. Before that I hadn't read any of Joe's books...It was very eerie because in reading The Hero with a Thousand Faces I began to realize that my first draft of Star Wars was following classic motifs...so I modified my next draft [of Star Wars] according to what I'd been learning about classical motifs and made it a little bit more consistent...I went on to read 'The Masks of God' and many other books."[42]

    "It was not until after the completion of the original Star Wars trilogy in 1983, however, that Lucas met Campbell or heard any of his lectures.[43] The 1988 documentary The Power of Myth was filmed at Lucas' Skywalker Ranch. During his interviews with Bill Moyers, Campbell discusses the way in which Lucas used The Hero's Journey in the Star Wars films (IV, V, and VI) to re-invent the mythology for the contemporary viewer. Moyers and Lucas filmed an interview 12 years later in 1999 called the Mythology of Star Wars with George Lucas & Bill Moyers to further discuss the impact of Campbell's work on Lucas' films."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Campbell

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    The only Moorcock book worth a shit:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behold_the_Man_(novel)
    'The Black Corridor' was a thought provoking piece, but yeah, Moorcock sucks when he gets into fantasy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    Ive also noticed this.

    It started with video games.

    Call of Duty. First time ever, you could be the Nazis.
    You see the latest Wolfenstein marketing campaign?


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    Just thinking about Anakin talking to Padme in Episode II... I just threw up in my mouth a little bit. How disappointed I was to learn when they started out with Episode I that Lucas was targeting a new generation of 8-year-olds, and that these movies were not for me. The theater cheered when the theme music started for that first one. After a few moments of watching Jar Jar flop around...so sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    Just thinking about Anakin talking to Padme in Episode II... I just threw up in my mouth a little bit. How disappointed I was to learn when they started out with Episode I that Lucas was targeting a new generation of 8-year-olds, and that these movies were not for me. The theater cheered when the theme music started for that first one. After a few moments of watching Jar Jar flop around...so sad.
    It's not Lucas's fault that people make him a superhuman who has to deliver something.. 'meaningful'.. if all he wants - and for all those decades wanted to do - is have some fun doing what he's doing, and make a shit load of money doing it.

    And i will say, the SW franchise got better again with Disney taking over. Episode VII and VIII, definitely better than the I-III prequels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    It's not Lucas's fault that people make him a superhuman who has to deliver something.. 'meaningful'.. if all he wants - and for all those decades wanted to do - is have some fun doing what he's doing, and make a shit load of money doing it.

    And i will say, the SW franchise got better again with Disney taking over. Episode VII and VIII, definitely better than the I-III prequels.
    Those I-III were abysmal. Really bad.

    I liked Rogue One, too. Darth Vader is a serious bad ass at the end there, for all of 30 seconds. Cool though. I hope they make more of them for me, instead of for the kids. They are fun.

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    Rogue One was great.

    VII sucked and I am fairly certain the next one will also.

    However, Disney is starting a new one that's out of the story line (mostly) like Rogue One was so I think that'll be very good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnflesh View Post
    You see the latest Wolfenstein marketing campaign?

    WW2 in Europe being against Nazis is fake news now?
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    Any light and dark story is propaganda and to what level is depending on who is telling the story.

    Dali painted this into almost all of his paintings.

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