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    Quote Originally Posted by Constitutional Sheepdog View Post
    The existence most certainly does proves a lot. As a matter of fact appointing a Chaplain was one of the first things they did as a new Nation.
    Yes, but this country was not founded on the Bible, it was founded on the concepts and ideas that came out of The Enlightenment also called the Age of Reason.

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    European politics, philosophy, science and communications were radically reoriented during the course of the “long 18th century” (1685-1815) as part of a movement referred to by its participants as the Age of Reason, or simply the Enlightenment. Enlightenment thinkers in Britain, in France and throughout Europe questioned traditional authority and embraced the notion that humanity could be improved through rational change. The Enlightenment produced numerous books, essays, inventions, scientific discoveries, laws, wars and revolutions. The American and French Revolutions were directly inspired by Enlightenment ideals and respectively marked the peak of its influence and the beginning of its decline. The Enlightenment ultimately gave way to 19th-century Romanticism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Constitutional Sheepdog View Post
    The office is as old as the United States of America is. It's historical.
    There actually isn't an office of the "Congressional Chaplain." There is a Chaplain's office for the House and another one for the Senate. Neither is required to be a Christian.

    Slavery is also historical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    Yes, but this country was not founded on the Bible, it was founded on the concepts and ideas that came out of The Enlightenment also called the Age of Reason.

    Enlightenment - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com

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    Founding documents here's one
    First Prayer of the Continental Congress, 1774
    O Lord our Heavenly Father, high and mighty King of kings, and Lord of lords, who dost from thy throne behold all the dwellers on earth and reignest with power supreme and uncontrolled over all the Kingdoms, Empires and Governments; look down in mercy, we beseech Thee, on these our American States, who have fled to Thee from the rod of the oppressor and thrown themselves on Thy gracious protection, desiring to be henceforth dependent only on Thee. To Thee have they appealed for the righteousness of their cause; to Thee do they now look up for that countenance and support, which Thou alone canst give. Take them, therefore, Heavenly Father, under Thy nurturing care; give them wisdom in Council and valor in the field; defeat the malicious designs of our cruel adversaries; convince them of the unrighteousness of their Cause and if they persist in their sanguinary purposes, of own unerring justice, sounding in their hearts, constrain them to drop the weapons of war from their unnerved hands in the day of battle!

    Be Thou present, O God of wisdom, and direct the councils of this honorable assembly; enable them to settle things on the best and surest foundation. That the scene of blood may be speedily closed; that order, harmony and peace may be effectually restored, and truth and justice, religion and piety, prevail and flourish amongst the people. Preserve the health of their bodies and vigor of their minds; shower down on them and the millions they here represent, such temporal blessings as Thou seest expedient for them in this world and crown them with everlasting glory in the world to come. All this we ask in the name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son and our Savior.

    Amen.

    Reverend Jacob Duché
    Rector of Christ Church of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
    September 7, 1774, 9 o’clock a.m.
    First Prayer of the Continental Congress, Office of the Chaplain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    There actually isn't an office of the "Congressional Chaplain." There is a Chaplain's office for the House and another one for the Senate. Neither is required to be a Christian.

    Slavery is also historical.

    It's in their header on their gov. site
    The Office of the Chaplain, United States House of Representatives
    FYI every Chaplian was Christian up until the late 20th century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Constitutional Sheepdog View Post

    It's in their header on their gov. site
    The Office of the Chaplain, United States House of Representatives
    FYI every Chaplian was Christian up until the late 20th century.
    Self aggrandisment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    Self aggrandisment.
    Nope just proving a point. How about you redirect that in another direction. It's so un-tolerating. And it's spelled aggrandisEment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Constitutional Sheepdog View Post
    Founding documents here's one
    First Prayer of the Continental Congress, 1774
    O Lord our Heavenly Father, high and mighty King of kings, and Lord of lords, who dost from thy throne behold all the dwellers on earth and reignest with power supreme and uncontrolled over all the Kingdoms, Empires and Governments; look down in mercy, we beseech Thee, on these our American States, who have fled to Thee from the rod of the oppressor and thrown themselves on Thy gracious protection, desiring to be henceforth dependent only on Thee. To Thee have they appealed for the righteousness of their cause; to Thee do they now look up for that countenance and support, which Thou alone canst give. Take them, therefore, Heavenly Father, under Thy nurturing care; give them wisdom in Council and valor in the field; defeat the malicious designs of our cruel adversaries; convince them of the unrighteousness of their Cause and if they persist in their sanguinary purposes, of own unerring justice, sounding in their hearts, constrain them to drop the weapons of war from their unnerved hands in the day of battle!

    Be Thou present, O God of wisdom, and direct the councils of this honorable assembly; enable them to settle things on the best and surest foundation. That the scene of blood may be speedily closed; that order, harmony and peace may be effectually restored, and truth and justice, religion and piety, prevail and flourish amongst the people. Preserve the health of their bodies and vigor of their minds; shower down on them and the millions they here represent, such temporal blessings as Thou seest expedient for them in this world and crown them with everlasting glory in the world to come. All this we ask in the name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son and our Savior.

    Amen.

    Reverend Jacob Duché
    Rector of Christ Church of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
    September 7, 1774, 9 o’clock a.m.
    First Prayer of the Continental Congress, Office of the Chaplain
    That has zero to do with the Constitution and the ideas that it was framed upon. Those ideas and concepts came directly from the writngs during the Enlightenment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    That has zero to do with the Constitution and the ideas that it was framed upon. Those ideas and concepts came directly from the writngs during the Enlightenment.
    Whether you like it or not it's part and partial our heritage or founding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Constitutional Sheepdog View Post
    Founding documents here's one
    First Prayer of the Continental Congress, 1774
    O Lord our Heavenly Father, high and mighty King of kings, and Lord of lords, who dost from thy throne behold all the dwellers on earth and reignest with power supreme and uncontrolled over all the Kingdoms, Empires and Governments; look down in mercy, we beseech Thee, on these our American States, who have fled to Thee from the rod of the oppressor and thrown themselves on Thy gracious protection, desiring to be henceforth dependent only on Thee. To Thee have they appealed for the righteousness of their cause; to Thee do they now look up for that countenance and support, which Thou alone canst give. Take them, therefore, Heavenly Father, under Thy nurturing care; give them wisdom in Council and valor in the field; defeat the malicious designs of our cruel adversaries; convince them of the unrighteousness of their Cause and if they persist in their sanguinary purposes, of own unerring justice, sounding in their hearts, constrain them to drop the weapons of war from their unnerved hands in the day of battle!

    Be Thou present, O God of wisdom, and direct the councils of this honorable assembly; enable them to settle things on the best and surest foundation. That the scene of blood may be speedily closed; that order, harmony and peace may be effectually restored, and truth and justice, religion and piety, prevail and flourish amongst the people. Preserve the health of their bodies and vigor of their minds; shower down on them and the millions they here represent, such temporal blessings as Thou seest expedient for them in this world and crown them with everlasting glory in the world to come. All this we ask in the name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son and our Savior.

    Amen.

    Reverend Jacob Duché
    Rector of Christ Church of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
    September 7, 1774, 9 o’clock a.m.
    First Prayer of the Continental Congress, Office of the Chaplain
    I'm sure Reverend Duche wrote that prayer. Did it mean anything more than the prayers that have been offered by Jews or Muslims from the same dais?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    I'm sure Reverend Duche wrote that prayer. Did it mean anything more than the prayers that have been offered by Jews or Muslims from the same dais?
    He wrote it but the Congress voted on it if he was going to pray that prayer.

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