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    Quote Originally Posted by Constitutional Sheepdog View Post
    Because we were at one time a Christian nation. That's why no other faith was appointed to that position.
    Most of the people who created this country were Enlightened deists, and their beliefs would be patently offensive to today's Christian fundie ilk. That's one of the reasons they wrote religious freedom into the Constitution. Or you can just play in la-la land and pretend Thomas Jefferson would have liked your church best if he were alive today, so there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Constitutional Sheepdog View Post
    Because we were at one time a Christian nation. That's why no other faith was appointed to that position.
    We were a nation of Protestants and people who didn't care that much about religion. There was a contingent of Catholics in Maryland. There was almost no one else. That doesn't make us a "Christian nation," and our Founders arranged things to keep that from happening--like forbidding religious tests for office.

    There's a difference between "a Christian nation" and a nation with a lot of Christians in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    Most of the people who created this country were Enlightened deists, and their beliefs would be patently offensive to today's Christian fundie ilk. That's one of the reasons they wrote religious freedom into the Constitution. Or you can just play in la-la land and pretend Thomas Jefferson would have liked your church best if he were alive today, so there.
    Would they agree to having a prayer prayed that ended in this?
    "All this we ask in the name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son and our Savior."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    We were a nation of Protestants and people who didn't care that much about religion. There was a contingent of Catholics in Maryland. There was almost no one else. That doesn't make us a "Christian nation," and our Founders arranged things to keep that from happening--like forbidding religious tests for office.

    There's a difference between "a Christian nation" and a nation with a lot of Christians in it.
    If our heritage is based on Christianity the very reason why people came to this country was because of their Christian faith.
    The founders didn't stop religious test it was the courts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Constitutional Sheepdog View Post
    Would they agree to having a prayer prayed that ended in this?
    "All this we ask in the name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son and our Savior."
    They might do a lot of things. The fact that the did something so narrow doesn't prove your grandiose claim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    They might do a lot of things. The fact that the did something so narrow doesn't prove your grandiose claim.
    They voted on that prayer before it was ever prayed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Constitutional Sheepdog View Post
    If our heritage is based on Christianity the very reason why people came to this country was because of their Christian faith.
    And yet all sorts of people came to this country, for all sorts of reasons. In Colonial days, the most frequent reason was economic and legal necessity--they were branded either as thieves or debtors and someone paid their debts and gave them passage to the colonies in exchange for indentured servitude.

    Later, they came because they were starving in places like Ireland. America was a place where you could eat meat several times a week while in Europe it was more like once or twice a year.

    Later, they came because they had heard you could make a bunch of money and then return to your homeland and be a bigshot.

    Later, they were Jews too.

    The fact that most immigration to the US came from places where Christianity dominated proves nothing about the motivations of immigrants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Constitutional Sheepdog View Post
    They voted on that prayer before it was ever prayed.
    Again, so? There were no non-Christians to object. Does that mean we identified ourselves as a "Christian nation?" No.

    Other nations identified themselves with the religion of their monarch. In America, we had no monarch--and those who did occupy offices could not be required to adhere to any religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Later, they were Jews too.
    In fact, Jews in the United States precede the Revolution.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    In fact, Jews in the United States precede the Revolution.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States
    Absolutely, but the first question was why congress would approve a distinctively Christian prayer and the second point was about immigration. Christians vastly outnumbered any other religion in the early Republic and Jews made up a substantial portion of immigrants only in the last 19th century.

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