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    Christian Dominionism-The Real Threat to Our Secular Republic

    Conservative xenophobes and conspiracy neurotics are wringing their hands, and lamenting the rise of Islam in our country, which they claim will bring about the implementation of Sharia law.

    However, whether out of ignorance or the belief that religious freedom and the first amendment does not apply equally to all religions, they fail to focus on the real threat to secularism.

    We are talking about Christian Dominionism.

    While there is no reason to believe that the few Muslims in our government harbor a desire to usurp secularism,* there are appointed and elected Christians in our government right now – or are aspiring to high office-who have openly expressed the belief that the bible is superior to the constitution and cavorting with those who are like minded.


    David Barton is a chief proponent of what he calls Seven Mountains Dominionism : Seven Mountains theology teaches that conservative Christians are to take control of the seven primary institutions, or “mountains,” that shape and control our culture — (1) Business; (2) Government; (3) Media; (4) Arts and Entertainment; (5) Education; (6) Family; and (7) Religion — and use them to implement biblical standards and spread the Gospel.
    It is worth remembering that Barton is not only an influential Republican activist but also runs one of the main super PACs supporting Ted Cruz.

    David Barton Will Train Christians To Take Control Of Government And Transform America Into The ?Nation That God Wants It To Be? | Right Wing Watch


    Barton is also the long time chairman of the* Texas Republican Party

    But most of all, Barton is vehemently anti-gay, claiming that schools are forcing students to be gay and that the government should regulate gay sex. Recently, he has been telling audiences that the Supreme Court decision legalizing gay marriage will force all student athletes to share the same locker rooms and churches to hire pedophiles to run their nurseries while requiring the military to protect those who engage in bestiality.
    Anti-Gay Psuedo-Historian David Barton Tapped To Run Ted Cruz?s Super PAC | Right Wing Watch

    Here is more:

    When David Barton Talks, Conservative Candidates Listen ...

    Among the possible Republican presidential candidates who seek his advice are Mike Huckabee, Newt Gingrich and Representative Michele Bachmann.
    And guess who else is in bed with the Dominionists?

    Donald Trump’s Amen Corner: Prosperity Preachers and Dominionists

    It’s not really surprising that preachers who tout wealth as a sign of God’s favor would line up with a blustery billionaire like Trump, who says his riches are proof that he’s qualified to fix what’s wrong with the country. What is a bit more surprising is the support Trump is getting from a leading advocate of Seven Mountains dominionism, which teaches that government and other spheres of influence — “mountains” like media, entertainment, business — are meant to be run by the right kind of Christians.
    Donald Trump?s Amen Corner: Prosperity Preachers and Dominionists | Right Wing Watch

    So, you say that Trump and the others did not seek out this type of support and do not actually believe this drivel ? Well he seeks them out!

    Donald Trump’s Extremist Allies: Who’s Who At The Values Voter Summit 2016

    Donald Trump is slated to join conservative activists and a number of GOP elected officials at next weekend’s Values Voter Summit, the annual Washington, D.C., event sponsored by the Family Research Council.*
    Donald Trump?s Extremist Allies: Who?s Who At The Values Voter Summit 2016 | Right Wing Watch

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    Be afraid! Be very afraid!!!!
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    Update: Meet David Lane: The Anti-Gay, Christian-Nation Extremist Of The RNC

    Meet David Lane: The Anti-Gay, Christian-Nation Extremist Of The RNC | Right Wing Watch
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    1.29.15: Last night, Rachel Maddow reported that the American Family Association has fired Bryan Fischer as its official spokesman, while letting Fischer keep his radio show on the organization’s radio network. The move apparently came as a result of growing controversy surrounding a trip to Israel for Republican National Committee delegates bankrolled by the AFA.

    It didn’t look good for the RNC that the group paying the tab for the trip to Israel has a spokesman and radio host who believes that gay people are modern-day Nazis who are responsible for the Holocaust, demands Jewish conversion to Christianity (and wants to require conversion for Jewish and other non-Christian immigrants), and insists that non-Christians have no First Amendment rights: “Counterfeit religions, alternative religions to Christianity, have no First Amendment right to the free exercise of the religion.”

    However, the RNC trip’s chief organizer, David Lane of the American Renewal Project, which has close ties to the AFA, is no less radical than Fischer … but his extreme views haven’t stopped Republicans from embracing Lane.

    RNC Chairman Reince Priebus has appeared at Lane’s political gatherings and praised his radical anti-LGBT activism. In fact, potential Republican presidential candidates like Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Mike Huckabee, Rick Perry and Mike Pence have either appeared at Lane’s events,………..

    Bobby Jindal, who has participated in both ventures, even hosted a prayer rally last weekend that was organized by Lane and funded by the AFA.

    Urging conservatives to “wage war for the Soul of America and trust the living God to deliver the pagan gods into our hands,” Lane wants conservatives to embrace his exclusionary Christian Nationalist beliefs and abolish the separation of church and state. Lane:

    Called the separation of church and state a “lie” and a “fabricated whopper” used to stop “Christian America – the moral majority – from imposing moral government on pagan public schools, pagan higher learning and pagan media.”

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    Yea, well, you do realize they are kinda outnumbered, right?

    Fearing "Dominionists" is like fearing the "Boogeyman...." (I saw him once, as a child.....)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProgressivePatriot View Post
    Be afraid! Be very afraid!!!!
    I'd be more afraid if any of those people actually acted like Christians. But they break Christian ethics all the time, publicly and shamelessly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    I'd be more afraid if any of those people actually acted like Christians. But they break Christian ethics all the time, publicly and shamelessly.
    I'd be WAY WAY less worried if that fringe cult was NOT represented by SEVERAL major players in Team Trump. Trump's "religion" is questionable but he seems to WANT to employ and exploit the hyper materialist prosperity CULT and the Hyper Political;/repressive Dominionists. Given their way... Dominionists advocate Old Testament extremes......the SAME extremes seen with the Taliban and ISIS. In more NORMAL times.. the nutjob/fanatic types have little impact and NOE... they are about to have real power.

    My ancestors came to America 300 yr ago as REFUGEES from religious repression. Our 1st Amendment prohibits any SECT/CULT having a real political power. We are by LAW secular in governance yet ultra tolerant of religion...even allowing some insane cults to do nasty stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwood View Post
    I'd be WAY WAY less worried if that fringe cult was NOT represented by SEVERAL major players in Team Trump. Trump's "religion" is questionable but he seems to WANT to employ and exploit the hyper materialist prosperity CULT and the Hyper Political;/repressive Dominionists. Given their way... Dominionists advocate Old Testament extremes......the SAME extremes seen with the Taliban and ISIS. In more NORMAL times.. the nutjob/fanatic types have little impact and NOE... they are about to have real power.

    My ancestors came to America 300 yr ago as REFUGEES from religious repression. Our 1st Amendment prohibits any SECT/CULT having a real political power. We are by LAW secular in governance yet ultra tolerant of religion...even allowing some insane cults to do nasty stuff.
    Trump doesn't hold with the Dominionists. He's much more enamored of the Gospel of Wealth people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwood View Post
    I'd be WAY WAY less worried if that fringe cult was NOT represented by SEVERAL major players in Team Trump. Trump's "religion" is questionable but he seems to WANT to employ and exploit the hyper materialist prosperity CULT and the Hyper Political;/repressive Dominionists. Given their way... Dominionists advocate Old Testament extremes......the SAME extremes seen with the Taliban and ISIS. In more NORMAL times.. the nutjob/fanatic types have little impact and NOE... they are about to have real power.

    My ancestors came to America 300 yr ago as REFUGEES from religious repression. Our 1st Amendment prohibits any SECT/CULT having a real political power. We are by LAW secular in governance yet ultra tolerant of religion...even allowing some insane cults to do nasty stuff.
    You mean like allowing Muslims to commit mass murders on U.S. soil? Omar Mateen, Nidal Hassan, Syed Rizwan Farook, Tashfeen Malik, and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev are all names you know well... in the case of anti-Barton activists, those people are probably heroes deserving of having national holidays named after their deeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humorme View Post
    You mean like allowing Muslims to commit mass murders on U.S. soil? Omar Mateen, Nidal Hassan, Syed Rizwan Farook, Tashfeen Malik, and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev are all names you know well... in the case of anti-Barton activists, those people are probably heroes deserving of having national holidays named after their deeds.
    What a bizarre response! Literally no one involved in US politics favors mass murders.

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    Christian Dominionism-The Real Threat to Our Secular Republic

    Torcaso v. Watkins 367 U.S. 488 (1961)

    COMMENTARY:

    "... We repeat and again reaffirm that neither a State nor the Federal Government can constitutionally force a person to "profess a belief or disbelief in any religion." Neither can constitutionally pass laws or impose requirements which aid all religions as against non-believers,10 and neither can aid those religions based on a belief in the existence of God as against those religions founded on different beliefs.11

    Footnote 11 concerning "religions founded on different beliefs" contains the Court's citation of Secular Humanism as a religion. It states

    Among religions in this country which do not teach what would generally be considered a belief in the existence of God are Buddhism, Taoism, Ethical Culture, Secular Humanism, and others. See Washington Ethical Society v. District of Columbia, 101 U.S. App. D.C. 371, 249 F.2d 127; Fellowship of Humanity v. County of Alameda, 153 Cal. App. 2d 673, 315 P.2d 394; II Encyclopedia of the Social Sciences 293; 4 Encyclopedia Britannica (1957 ed.) 325-327; 21 id., at 797; Archer, Faiths Men Live By (2d ed. revised by Purinton), 120-138, 254-313; 1961 World Almanac 695, 712; Year Book of American Churches for 1961, at 29, 47.

    It is important to note that this citation of Secular Humanism as a religion is not merely dictum. The Supreme Court refers to the important 1957 case of Washington Ethical Society v. District of Columbia (101 U.S. App. D.C. 371) in its holding that Secular Humanism is a non-theistic religion within the meaning of the First Amendment..."


    Secular Humanism is a Religion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    What a bizarre response! Literally no one involved in US politics favors mass murders.
    A bizarre response? The left is telling the right that their warnings against Muslims is boogeyman crap.

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