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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Trucks were pulling up to the WTC towers on a daily basis for DECADES before the attacks; trucks carrying the sorts of things that thousands of people working in the towers need to do their jobs. Again - you cannot prepare a building like that for demolition while people are working. Many of the offices were operating around the clock. And even if they weren't operating, you can't remove the stench of steel-cutting saws and welders before the morning crowds show up.

    And finally, all the people in the "trucks and crews..." there's no way they'd ALL remain silent all this time. At least ONE person would have come forward by now.
    Keep making excuses for not seeing the movie. The evidence is overwhelming. The sheeple can deny it all they want because they deny most science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chaos View Post
    Keep making excuses for not seeing the movie. The evidence is overwhelming. The sheeple can deny it all they want because they deny most science.
    The video isn't about science. The video is about abandoning all semblance of plausibility. It's simply not possible to spend weeks preparing a building for a controlled demolition while the occupants of the building are blissfully unaware. Thousands of people survived the attacks - and NONE of them reported hearing saws slicing into steel beams. Perhaps they invented a machine that can cut through steel beams ... quietly?
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    Why would a false flag demolition of the world trade towers require the destruction of four airplanes full of people? Since islamic terrorists had previously tried to blow up the towers why not just plant the charges and say it was the terrorists again? This is a conspiracy theory that doesn't hold up to the slightest scrutiny. And what was the motive anyway? To justify the Iraq war? As has been pointed out over and over, there was no connection to Iraq, and Iraq had violated post gulf war sanctions to the extent that no justification was required anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    Why would a false flag demolition of the world trade towers require the destruction of four airplanes full of people? Since islamic terrorists had previously tried to blow up the towers why not just plant the charges and say it was the terrorists again? This is a conspiracy theory that doesn't hold up to the slightest scrutiny. And what was the motive anyway? To justify the Iraq war? As has been pointed out over and over, there was no connection to Iraq, and Iraq had violated post gulf war sanctions to the extent that no justification was required anyway.
    Good points....to a point. A couple of comments though

    Perhaps it was feared that there would be doubts about it being terrorism if not for the planes.

    The planes added to the horror of the day which increased the ability to justify war

    There was no legitimate motive to invade Iraq and even if Iraq was not directly accused of involvement, 9-11 served to get the country pumped up against Islam. I would not put anything past the ogre Chaney, the dumb fuck Bush and the devious Rumsfeld and Rice
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProgressivePatriot View Post
    Note: I am aware of the fact that there is a least one other open treads on 9-11 on this forum. However, it had no responses and has long been dormant since shortly after it was started earlier this year. In addition, it does not feature the film that I recently discovered. This is different. This is compelling and worth a look!

    This is an amazing, and eye opening film that may well change everything that you thought you knew or that you believed about what happened on 9.11.01.


    15 Years Later, Physics Journal Concludes: All 3 WTC Towers Collapsed Due to Controlled Demolition

    It is long. Over an hour. But if you just watch the first 10 or 15 minutes, you will certainly get the idea.
    Now let me be clear, I was never a conspiracy theorists. I did not consider myself a 9-11 truther and I’m yet 100% convinced that we have been lied to. However, I am leaning in that direction.

    The basic premise of the film is that the two planes alone did not bring the three building, WTC 1,2, and 7 down – that the collapses were caused, at least aided, by “controlled demolitions. Indeed, no plane had hit WTC 7! It is alleged that there was deliberate destruction of evidence, explosions not caused by the planes, and a symmetrical collapse of all three buildings consistent with a controlled demolition.

    The film is narrated by Richard Gaga of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, an organization of 2,300 professionals who are demanding an independent investigation, and features a long succession of architects, engineers, various other scientists all of whom are quite credible. It also features eye witnesses who saw and heard things that are not explained and can’t be explained by the official version of what happened.

    There is no dirt to be found on this organization. They are credible.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archit...for_9/11_Truth

    Here is the official site: #2 of 6: NIST's WTC 7 Reports: Filled with Fantasy, Fiction, and Fraud

    It is interesting to note that while it’s alleged that the plot was much wider than the hijackers, the report specifically avoids pointing any fingers or speculating on motive so as not to distract from the forensic evidence.

    The film that you are about to see was published in the Free Thought Project Homepage - The Free Thought Project
    You will see that while the stories that they publish are provocative and under-reported in the main stream media, it is not “fake news” or conspiracy theories from the fringes of reality

    Now to be fair, I am not without my doubts. We know that planes actually did hit the towers and that they were controlled by terrorists. But were there additional terrorists on the ground who planted explosives in all three building? Would that have even been possible? And, if they were expert enough to plant the bombs so strategically as to bring the buildings down, why did they bother to hijack planes?

    Another possibility that some entity other than the terrorists- such as the Bush Administration- planted the bombs. Did they know about the plot ( as some have previously alleged ) and, rather than stopping it, planted to explosives to make certain of the outcome. Farfetched? I don’t know.

    That brings me to the authors and publishers of the study and documentary. As I said Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, appear to be highly credible. However, here is a site that says that it is all bunk. You can decide for yourself.
    Debunking 911 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition Homepage

    Now not being a scientist, I will not attempt to argue the conflicting scientific theories (although I do find the evidence for a controlled demolition very compelling) . However, they also attack the credibility and credentials of the chief author of the study

    Professor Steven E. Jones:


    So where does that leave us? Deep into more uncertainty. Jones was published in Europhysics News which appears to be highly credible and widely respected:

    https://billlawrenceonline.com/europ...ws-trutherism/


    However, even here there is dissention:

    Again, I’m not going to attempt to evaluate the science. I am just presenting what has been said. I’m not trying to sell anything here. My intention is to stimulate discussion, elicit opinions, and to get a sense of how people, in general are leaning.
    Finally, the is https://www.gspellchecker.com/2016/0...911/#more-4482

    This is apparently an Atheistic leaning site and as such, I, an atheist, give a certain amount of credibility to. They support the “conventional or main stream explanation for 9-11 and reject the conspiracy- controlled demolition theory and provide a link to the aforementioned . Debunking 911 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition Homepage. I'm just not completely convinced, but as I said, leaning towards a conspiracy.

    That’s it folks! Have at it .Don’t troll me bro. I’m just the messenger!
    Mr. Patriot,

    By Architects and Engineers for Truth, do you mean "three guys with undergraduate degrees in architecture with no structural engineering expertise and a chick with a BS degree in something other than engineering for Truth"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Mr. Patriot,

    By Architects and Engineers for Truth, do you mean "three guys with undergraduate degrees in architecture with no structural engineering expertise and a chick with a BS degree in something other than engineering for Truth"?
    Do you have documentation of that ??


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    Quote Originally Posted by ProgressivePatriot View Post
    Do you have documentation of that ??


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    Mr. Patriot,

    Thank you for admitting you don't do your homework. But seriously, if you conspiracy wack jobs did your homework, there wouldn't be any conspiracy wack jobs.

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    So they just reprinted Szamboti's lies.

    Tony Szamboti's hypothesis rests upon lies. 7TC did not collapse symmetrically at free fall acceleration; column 79 can only behave they way Tony wants it to if the rest of the building was stable-it wasn't. There is no mystery to the collapse of 7WTC and the mythology is still being presented despite the fact that it has been debunked repeatedly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProgressivePatriot View Post
    Do you have documentation of that ??


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    A member of the JREF crew has documented the validity of their membership-it is fraudulent. Ask yourself this: if AE911T has so many architects and engineers on its books, then why haven't they produced a valid scientific paper presenting their claims?

    Not once have they produced a single scientific document that can be held up for peer review.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chaos View Post
    Keep making excuses for not seeing the movie. The evidence is overwhelming. The sheeple can deny it all they want because they deny most science.
    There's nothing new in it, just the usual specious conjecture, pseudo-science and bias. Furthermore, it didn't take long till we reached the first lie.
    Last edited by Blues63; 19th December 2016 at 02:10 PM.

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