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    I hope the crazier element of the leftists begin to see it this way...
    I worry much more about the craziest elements of the right, where all the Nazis, Fascists, White Nationalists and gun nuts reside.
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    Why is that cost relevant when you can seize power against the will of the American people?
    Because those who seize power end up dead.

    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    I worry much more about the craziest elements of the right, where all the Nazis, Fascists, White Nationalists and gun nuts reside.
    What are you worried about? -you look like Superman to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    I worry much more about the craziest elements of the right, where all the Nazis, Fascists, White Nationalists and gun nuts reside.
    Well, if you hadn't supported the Clinton crime family, they wouldn't be in power now.

    BTW, what is it that each of these groups that you want ACTUALLY WANT that offends you so much?

    You aren't seriously telling me that there's a group of Nazis in modern us that want to throw jews into the ovens, are you?

    What do the fascists want?

    The white nationalists? BTW, don't call me white. That's OUR WORD you bigot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    I know, it's not like there are the podesta emails about "dealing with leaks" dated the weeks before he was killed, or assange all but admitting he was the leak.
    Assange is the one that hinted that this man Rich was the leak but I don't believe him one bit. The emails on Wikileaks came out after his death and could have easily been created or doctored to fit a nice little narrative to fit a conspiracy theory. A blatant attempt by Assange and Putin to spread fake propaganda and you bought it, BRAVO!

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...118-story.html

    What seems painfully obvious to his family is that Seth Rich was, instead, the victim of a botched holdup, one of a series of armed robberies in the neighborhood around that time. Interviews with more than a dozen people who knew Rich well, including several who spoke to him in the final hours of his life - as well as a previously unreported minute-by-minute log of Rich's phone calls - fill in some of the blanks of that night. But they offer no hint that a conspiracy was at play.


    In June, an explosive story made headlines: A cybersecurity firm had determined that hackers associated with Russian intelligence had broken into DNC computers.

    "He was so upset," a person who was very close to Rich said on condition of anonymity for fear of being targeted by cyberbullies and conspiracy theorists. "It was crazy. Especially for Seth. He said, 'Oh, my God. We have a foreign entity trying to get involved in our elections?' That made him so angry."

    This whole story is Assange trying to cover up for his Russian masters.

    It was almost a month to the day since their son breathed his last. And now this?

    The reason for the deluge was a tweet. WikiLeaks, the secretive organization that had published thousands of hacked DNC emails less than two weeks after Seth Rich was killed, had announced on Twitter that it was offering a $20,000 reward in the killing.

    Julian Assange, the WikiLeaks editor, further stoked speculation that Rich might have been involved in the DNC hack by referencing the murder, unprompted, on a Dutch news program.

    Assange wasn't the only one spinning dark theories. Roger Stone, the Donald Trump confidant and self-proclaimed Nixon-era dirty trickster, took to Twitter to suggest Rich and three other men might have been murdered at the behest of Clinton.

    And then there is Jack Burkman, who hosts a Newsmax cable program and has represented corporate clients as a Republican lobbyist in Washington for years. He might best be known for his failed crusade to ban gay men from playing in the NFL, a proposal that he made after the St. Louis Cardinals signed a gay college player, Michael Sam.
    Burkman,who says he's motivated by empathy for the Rich family, won them over. He has offered $130,000 of his own money as a reward, adding to the $25,000 offered by D.C. police and $20,000 from WikiLeaks. And he tugged at their hearts, telling them about how his mother used to warn him about safety on the streets of the District when he was a law student two decades ago.

    What Seth riches' family did was try to get answers but at the end of the day Assange, Stone and Burkman were just playing a political smear campaign against HRC and using their son as a ploy to muddy the waters about the Russian hacking into the DNC.

    THE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST HRC IN THIS ARE RIGHT UP THERE WITH PIZZA GATE=FAKE
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Well, if you hadn't supported the Clinton crime family, they wouldn't be in power now.

    BTW, what is it that each of these groups that you want ACTUALLY WANT that offends you so much?

    You aren't seriously telling me that there's a group of Nazis in modern us that want to throw jews into the ovens, are you?

    What do the fascists want?

    The white nationalists? BTW, don't call me white. That's OUR WORD you bigot.
    I tell you they are better than the Gambino family and Jimmy Hoffa, the Clintons must both be brilliant. They have gotten away with everything from murder to human trafficking to laundering money despite 30 years of being under the microscope and probably about a dozen or so criminal investigations and Secret Service men following them for the last 20 of those years on a 24/7 basis. LOL.

    bmanmcly you truly are NAIVE and have fallen for the most ridiculous claims out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    Assange is the one that hinted that this man Rich was the leak but I don't believe him one bit. The emails on Wikileaks came out after his death and could have easily been created or doctored to fit a nice little narrative to fit a conspiracy theory. A blatant attempt by Assange and Putin to spread fake propaganda and you bought it, BRAVO!

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...118-story.html

    What seems painfully obvious to his family is that Seth Rich was, instead, the victim of a botched holdup, one of a series of armed robberies in the neighborhood around that time. Interviews with more than a dozen people who knew Rich well, including several who spoke to him in the final hours of his life - as well as a previously unreported minute-by-minute log of Rich's phone calls - fill in some of the blanks of that night. But they offer no hint that a conspiracy was at play.


    In June, an explosive story made headlines: A cybersecurity firm had determined that hackers associated with Russian intelligence had broken into DNC computers.

    "He was so upset," a person who was very close to Rich said on condition of anonymity for fear of being targeted by cyberbullies and conspiracy theorists. "It was crazy. Especially for Seth. He said, 'Oh, my God. We have a foreign entity trying to get involved in our elections?' That made him so angry."

    This whole story is Assange trying to cover up for his Russian masters.

    It was almost a month to the day since their son breathed his last. And now this?

    The reason for the deluge was a tweet. WikiLeaks, the secretive organization that had published thousands of hacked DNC emails less than two weeks after Seth Rich was killed, had announced on Twitter that it was offering a $20,000 reward in the killing.

    Julian Assange, the WikiLeaks editor, further stoked speculation that Rich might have been involved in the DNC hack by referencing the murder, unprompted, on a Dutch news program.

    Assange wasn't the only one spinning dark theories. Roger Stone, the Donald Trump confidant and self-proclaimed Nixon-era dirty trickster, took to Twitter to suggest Rich and three other men might have been murdered at the behest of Clinton.

    And then there is Jack Burkman, who hosts a Newsmax cable program and has represented corporate clients as a Republican lobbyist in Washington for years. He might best be known for his failed crusade to ban gay men from playing in the NFL, a proposal that he made after the St. Louis Cardinals signed a gay college player, Michael Sam.
    Burkman,who says he's motivated by empathy for the Rich family, won them over. He has offered $130,000 of his own money as a reward, adding to the $25,000 offered by D.C. police and $20,000 from WikiLeaks. And he tugged at their hearts, telling them about how his mother used to warn him about safety on the streets of the District when he was a law student two decades ago.

    What Seth riches' family did was try to get answers but at the end of the day Assange, Stone and Burkman were just playing a political smear campaign against HRC and using their son as a ploy to muddy the waters about the Russian hacking into the DNC.

    THE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST HRC IN THIS ARE RIGHT UP THERE WITH PIZZA GATE=FAKE
    Conspiracy theory to pretend there's no conspiracy... curious tactic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    I tell you they are better than the Gambino family and Jimmy Hoffa, the Clintons must both be brilliant. They have gotten away with everything from murder to human trafficking to laundering money despite 30 years of being under the microscope and probably about a dozen or so criminal investigations and Secret Service men following them for the last 20 of those years on a 24/7 basis. LOL.

    bmanmcly you truly are NAIVE and have fallen for the most ridiculous claims out there.
    I think you misunderstood the question...

    I agree with you, the "racists", "nazis", "white nationalists" are better than the Gambino and Clinton crime families, but I suspect that's not what you intended.

    My question was more along the lines of what is it that these "vile and bigoted" people are running the show, what is it that they want that has you all so scared?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Well, if you hadn't supported the Clinton crime family, they wouldn't be in power now.

    BTW, what is it that each of these groups that you want ACTUALLY WANT that offends you so much?

    You aren't seriously telling me that there's a group of Nazis in modern us that want to throw jews into the ovens, are you?

    What do the fascists want?

    The white nationalists? BTW, don't call me white. That's OUR WORD you bigot.
    Defending Fascists, Nazis and White Supremacists? OKaaaaaay.

    Like this guy?

    Andrew Anglin is the founder and editor of the neo-Nazi Daily Stormer website. Styled after popular image-heavy Internet forums like 4chan and 8chan, the Daily Stormer is dedicated to spreading anti-Semitism, neo-Nazism, and white nationalism, primarily through guttural hyperbole and epithet-laden stories about topics like alleged Jewish world control and black-on-white crime. As of April 2017, the site ranked 13,137th globally and 5,597th within the United States, according to Alexa.
    Or this guy?

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    August Kreis
    A hot-tempered, longtime white supremacist and Christian Identity minister who now suffers from severe diabetes, August Kreis III is a longtime white supremacist once headed one of a handful of competing splinter factions of the once-mighty Aryan Nations
    Or any of these people?

    https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-h...les/individual
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    The family of slain Democratic staffer Seth Rich is threatening legal action against a private investigator after his "outrageous behavior" has given fuel to right-wing conspiracy theories about the unsolved murder of their son. An attorney representing the family of Rich, who was 27 when he was killed last July, sent a cease and desist letter Friday to Rod Wheeler, a Fox News contributor and former Washington, D.C., homicide detective who was employed by the family and earlier this week told a Fox affiliate that he believed police were covering up details about the crime.

    Your statements and actions have caused, and continue to cause, the Family severe mental anguish and emotional distress. Your behavior appears to have been deliberate, intentional, outrageous, and in patent disregard of the Agreement and the obvious damage and suffering it would cause the Family," wrote Joseph Ingrisano of the law firm Katuk Rock, according to a copy of the letter shared exclusively with NBC News.

    "Your improper and unauthorized statements, many of which are false and have no basis in fact, have also injured the memory and reputation of Seth Rich and have defamed and injured the reputation and standing of the members of the Family," Ingrisano continued.

    Slain DNC Staffer's Family Orders Blabbing Detective to 'Cease and Desist' - NBC News

    Hopefully this article will put to bed this inane thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    Defending Fascists, Nazis and White Supremacists? OKaaaaaay.

    Like this guy?



    Or this guy?

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    Or any of these people?

    https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-h...les/individual
    No, not defending... You guys are so freakin terrified of these people that what they actually believe must be pretty horrible and say some pretty terrible things.

    I mean, well, first, those paragraphs make each of those people sound shitty, but, not so shitty where you'd want to just punch them in the face for existing.

    Like, you want to see someone who you would want to punch just for existing, go on YouTube and look up the story of "daddyoffive" and see what he was doing to his kids. I seriously grew a syrup snake of hate that was just balling up inside with a desire to hit that man, I'm not even sure his wife would be immune to the level of rage... Sorry, side issue.

    Anyway, I don't know those people, and I think you could accept that I'm biased for the Alex Jones page (although if you ask nice I will address the splc profile of him, which I only mention since he was top link)...

    But let's talk of someone most could accept is a shithead. David duke, what does he ACTUALLY BELIEVE... I've seen an interview with him, and it was just things like :
    - "I believe that as a country we should protect our borders and control migration."
    - "I believe that a person should be able to turn people down for service for whatever reason if they don't want to do business, but I don't see why you would if they aren't causing grief"

    And other fairly rational positions, even where he was given open platform to be as racist as he wanted, he was mostly pretty rational in his positions (I was actually kinda surprised)... The only thing wrong that I saw with the guy was that, for whatever the reason, he really hates Jews. I mean like, everything wrong with the world is because of Jews... I just can't agree with that, there are plenty of shitty people of all nationalities and ethnicities.


    Now, having been honest in my position, answer me this, would you really want to shut someone up who is "hateful" in this way, so you never know what they actually believe, all the while hey bottle up that hate, or wouldn't you rather someone be able to be honest with you about their biases and then you can know that a person is too crazy and just avoid them?

    That said, if this looks like it's going to diverge much further, I'll start a thread on the matter... The topic is supposed to be about Seth rich and his alluded connection to the wikileaks.

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