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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Yes, when you are sitting in a sound studio definitely, I used to have turtle beach headsets for gaming, it almost felt like cheating, to hear exactly where people were moving, etc...

    But, really, the 4th floor shooter story... No chance.
    I was only relating how the sound can be manipulated, whether the recording is from a studio or a live report doesn't really matter. A remix can change the perception of the position.

    As with all large scale events there will be conspiracy theories everywhere in a matter of days. Watching the Natural News link, I was disgusted at that blokes snide remarks to the FBI. He may be right, he may be wrong, but he seems to assume that the FBI are doing nothing when the investigation has barely started. And the acknowledgement of this guy as an expert was purely his own.

    I couldn't handle him after ten minutes, but guys at ISF in the know are reviewing this video now. If they come up with anything I'll let you know.

    E.T.A. The initial observation from ISF:

    His calculations are made assuming the sounds are being recorded at the point of impact, if the recording was taken from a position in between the shooter and the point of impact the report from the gun has a shorter distance to travel while the sound from the impact then has to travel back, the effect of both of those things would reduce the delay heard/recorded.

    If the shooter had changed his target to something closer that would change the delay.

    Could a change of gun/type of round make a difference?

    There's no mention that there was overlapping gunfire recorded, if there were 2 shooters they'd have to be in contact or pre-arranged to take it in turns or something.


    I don't know if there was a second gunman or not. I'll leave it with the guys that can figure it out.

    The next observation:

    The gun and ammunition used will definitely affect that, as will distance to the target, angle of impact, ricochets, etc. And the gun caliber, barrel length, rifling, bullet shape, bullet weight, and powder load will all make a difference, as those all affect trajectory, speed, or aerodynamics of the round. You'd have to know the exact speed of the round used to get anything even close to accurate. Just for a single caliber, muzzle velocities based on the type of ammunition alone can vary by 10% or more. When you add in varying barrel lengths that's another 10% to 20%. And all that assumes the same caliber of gun...once you add in the possibility of multiple guns in differing calibers, there's no way for him to make any accurate assessment form that...not unless he knows exactly what rounds and what guns were used for each shot he assesses.

    Not only that, but you'd have to know either the exact location of the impact point or the exact location of the shooter to be able to determine the other...otherwise any variation you get is likely to be because the impact point has changed.

    Not to mention, you'd have a pretty wide margin of error due to acoustic effects, variation between lots of ammunition (even of the same type), and so forth. So ignoring any other factors, unless the results were wildly different, I don't expect they'd be accurate enough to tell you there was a second shooter.
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    Mark Steyn is no conspiracy theorist.

    https://www.steynonline.com/8185/wha...t-stay-in-reno

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    Wow, that was bat shit crazy.

    The Mandalay Bay security guard shot by Stephen Paddock, Jesus Campos disappears just moments before scheduled to give an interview, Route 91 witnesses and vendors are claiming the FBI gave them their phones and laptops and other devices after completely wiping them of all images and messages from October 1, 2017, the night of the Vegas massacre where over 50 people were slaughtered and nearly 500 others injured, and now a 28 year woman that described how she and her friends ran for their lives that devastating night, saying that "Bullets were coming from every direction," was found dead in her bed on Monday.

    LOLOL The internet is alive with conspiracy theories atm, so, the innuendo here is that TPTB took it upon themselves to assassinate one 'witness' in order to silence her?

    Are you fucking kidding me? What's the point?

    Oh, and this is fucking priceless!

    Another interesting statement made in that post was how about 15 second before the first volley of shits were fired into the crowd, someone set off firecrackers, and Ms. Suchomel made it very clear, in caps, they were indeed firecrackers, stating "From about 50 feet in front of us, and a little to the right, fire crackers were set off. Let me repeat that… FIRE CRACKERS WERE SET OFF. I verbally stated “some a**hole just shot of fire crackers in close proximity to so many people”. I was literally pissed off. You could see Jason Aldean look to his left kind of startled by it, but he was also clearly irritated. I would say about 15 seconds later, the first volley of gunfire was released."

    FIRE CRACKERS WERE SET OFF Does capslock make this true? Er, and why is this significant?

    "A volley of shits [sic]" LOLOL Does that describe the article or the shooting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by excalibur View Post
    Mark Steyn is no conspiracy theorist.

    https://www.steynonline.com/8185/wha...t-stay-in-reno
    Yeah, I think he is.

    Almost a fortnight from the moment when 58 people were gunned down at a country-music festival, officialdom has so bungled the case that almost every single one of the most basic facts about the act are up for grabs.

    Really? The investigation has barely started and it has been 'bungled'?

    As Mr Schuck says above, when the shooting began, he used his radio to call in what was happening - including the precise location of the room from which the shots were coming. That was six minutes before Paddock began firing on the crowd. So in theory the police could have gotten there in time to prevent, if not all, then many or most of the deaths at the concert.

    And maybe someone got the time wrong?

    The Las Vegas shooter’s home in Northern Nevada was broken into over the weekend, police confirmed Tuesday.

    Reno's Somersett neighborhood, part of a Del Webb retirement community, has been in the spotlight since Stephen Paddock opened fire Oct. 1 from the 32nd floor of Mandalay Bay resort onto the crowd of concertgoers below, killing 58 people and injuring hundreds before killing himself. Paddock, 64, purchased the small tan and brown home in June 2013 and lived there with his girlfriend, Marilou Danley.

    The break-in occurred through the front door, said Officer Tim Broadway of the Reno Police Department. Detectives do not yet know the number of suspects involved.

    They also were not aware of anything taken or any damage, he said. The FBI, which was notified immediately, and Reno police are working to make sure no further incidents occur.


    Don't you love this stuff? Do the CTists expect the Police to leave a guard on the house? Oh, and it couldn't have been a bunch of curious kids at all? And why is this significant?

    The rest goes on to detail his property holdings etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    Did you bother to check out that particular YouTube channel?. Seems like the user wears a tin foil hat....she could give Alex Jones a run for his money.
    Who cares? This video is authentic...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Check out the video at around 4:47 and you can clearly see gunshots coming out of what appears to be around the 10th floor.

    Also, prior to that you can definitely hear two different types of guns at different distances firing.

    That is nowhere near where the broken windows are at.



    Here is where they claimed it happened by a solo shooter.

    The Mandalay Bay facade is a mirrored facade.....in additon, Las Vegas is a mix of high rises and open space, the shooter shot from two different locations facing two different directions and echo off other structures or even parts of the Mandalay Bay hotel structure could have been a factor, as well as reflections of reflections. What looks like a flash in the video also could have a reflection of light, as there is very similar one, in the next second, in another window. which appears to be more of a reflection of lights in the glass facade of the building.

    In the following, one can see how the hotel is a mix of lights and reflections....and more of the whole facade......

    PHOTOS: Smashed Mandalay Bay windows where gunman opened fire - Business Insider

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a..._security.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by KnotaFrayed View Post
    The Mandalay Bay facade is a mirrored facade.....in additon, Las Vegas is a mix of high rises and open space, the shooter shot from two different locations facing two different directions and echo off other structures or even parts of the Mandalay Bay hotel structure could have been a factor, as well as reflections of reflections. What looks like a flash in the video also could have a reflection of light, as there is very similar one, in the next second, in another window. which appears to be more of a reflection of lights in the glass facade of the building.

    In the following, one can see how the hotel is a mix of lights and reflections....and more of the whole facade......

    PHOTOS: Smashed Mandalay Bay windows where gunman opened fire - Business Insider

    Why the Las Vegas shooting was a nightmare scenario for police and security professionals.
    If you're trying to say there was only one shooter you're probably wrong. It was not an echo, as echoes don't take that long to 'echo'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pureinheart View Post
    Who cares? This video is authentic...
    Uh-huh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    I was only relating how the sound can be manipulated, whether the recording is from a studio or a live report doesn't really matter. A remix can change the perception of the position.

    As with all large scale events there will be conspiracy theories everywhere in a matter of days. Watching the Natural News link, I was disgusted at that blokes snide remarks to the FBI. He may be right, he may be wrong, but he seems to assume that the FBI are doing nothing when the investigation has barely started. And the acknowledgement of this guy as an expert was purely his own.

    I couldn't handle him after ten minutes, but guys at ISF in the know are reviewing this video now. If they come up with anything I'll let you know.

    E.T.A. The initial observation from ISF:

    His calculations are made assuming the sounds are being recorded at the point of impact, if the recording was taken from a position in between the shooter and the point of impact the report from the gun has a shorter distance to travel while the sound from the impact then has to travel back, the effect of both of those things would reduce the delay heard/recorded.

    If the shooter had changed his target to something closer that would change the delay.

    Could a change of gun/type of round make a difference?

    There's no mention that there was overlapping gunfire recorded, if there were 2 shooters they'd have to be in contact or pre-arranged to take it in turns or something.


    I don't know if there was a second gunman or not. I'll leave it with the guys that can figure it out.

    The next observation:

    The gun and ammunition used will definitely affect that, as will distance to the target, angle of impact, ricochets, etc. And the gun caliber, barrel length, rifling, bullet shape, bullet weight, and powder load will all make a difference, as those all affect trajectory, speed, or aerodynamics of the round. You'd have to know the exact speed of the round used to get anything even close to accurate. Just for a single caliber, muzzle velocities based on the type of ammunition alone can vary by 10% or more. When you add in varying barrel lengths that's another 10% to 20%. And all that assumes the same caliber of gun...once you add in the possibility of multiple guns in differing calibers, there's no way for him to make any accurate assessment form that...not unless he knows exactly what rounds and what guns were used for each shot he assesses.

    Not only that, but you'd have to know either the exact location of the impact point or the exact location of the shooter to be able to determine the other...otherwise any variation you get is likely to be because the impact point has changed.

    Not to mention, you'd have a pretty wide margin of error due to acoustic effects, variation between lots of ammunition (even of the same type), and so forth. So ignoring any other factors, unless the results were wildly different, I don't expect they'd be accurate enough to tell you there was a second shooter.
    Yes, manipulation is theoretically plausible... We are talking about modifying dozens to hundreds of mostly cellphone captured video... Where that manipulation would be tantamount to altering evidence of a crime scene (not legally speaking, but morally) without coming forward. Likelihood is nil.

    Sorry, physics don't lie... And he's not the only one, hopefully you caught the observation he had about analysis videos being shadow banned from YouTube. There are other, who have even gone to the degree of telling the caliber of the weapons used (a SAW, a 223 hunting rifle and an mp5 was the General consensus)

    What does the ian somerhalder foundation have to do wi anything?

    Yes, but the FBI has stated decisively the weapon and bump stock to account for the rate of fire. Problem is, in another analysis, 2 of the volleys would require 100 round magazines.

    Which, btw, the photos that leaked, there were nowhere near enough shell casings at the scene...

    More to follow.

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