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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    Apparently red flags at - asaide from just this one car - often enough yet not legal grounds for police to arrest, until an actual crime / assault is committed. If you also can’t force - as in a lot of cases we’re glad one can’t - a ‘suspect’ to get evaluated medically... If LE had the right to at least confiscate firearms from such individuals and their households, if they deem the person dangerous but have no legal way to arrest, a lot of damage could already be avoided.
    Taking guns away from any and all offenders of ‘responsible’ gun ownership, would reduce gun crimes a lot already.
    Uh, yes you can. It's called the Baker Act in Florida.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    We've all heard about the 39 calls to law enforcement on the Parkland shooter. Now a good question to ask is why. Why didn't they arrest him? He was in clear violation of several laws at many points and it seemed like everyone except law enforcement at every level knew how dangerous this guy was.
    I submit this knowing full well that it's a conspiracy theory without a whole lot of evidence. But it makes sense.
    Basically the theory is that Miami Dade county started doing something and Broward followed suit. They wanted to reduce their juvenile crime rate, so that they could get increased federal funding and good PR. So to achieve this, the Sheriff's Department basically stopped arresting teenagers.
    It explains a lot. Like that 20 minute delay in the video feed? That wasn't a bug, that was a feature so that they could then go and cover up video evidence of crimes in the school.
    So I'm not sure I completely buy in. But it makes sense.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/9...744374784.html

    Why did Republicans cut off funding into gun violence research? Guns are the ultimate law in this country. There is no amount of violence you won't tolerate to keep acces to guns unrestricted. If I'm wrong then tell me what amount of violence won't you accept before you demand change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    We've all heard about the 39 calls to law enforcement on the Parkland shooter. Now a good question to ask is why. Why didn't they arrest him? He was in clear violation of several laws at many points and it seemed like everyone except law enforcement at every level knew how dangerous this guy was.
    I submit this knowing full well that it's a conspiracy theory without a whole lot of evidence. But it makes sense.
    Basically the theory is that Miami Dade county started doing something and Broward followed suit. They wanted to reduce their juvenile crime rate, so that they could get increased federal funding and good PR. So to achieve this, the Sheriff's Department basically stopped arresting teenagers.
    It explains a lot. Like that 20 minute delay in the video feed? That wasn't a bug, that was a feature so that they could then go and cover up video evidence of crimes in the school.
    So I'm not sure I completely buy in. But it makes sense.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/9...744374784.html
    The FBI has spent 7 million dollars chasing charges based on a fake Document (Russian Dossier paid for by the DNC and Hillary Campaign).

    instead of Following up on multiple warnings of Cruz that just killed 17 Kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryPorter View Post
    Why did Republicans cut off funding into gun violence research? Guns are the ultimate law in this country. There is no amount of violence you won't tolerate to keep acces to guns unrestricted. If I'm wrong then tell me what amount of violence won't you accept before you demand change.
    They didn't. They cut off funding for advocacy.
    Now what does that have to do with the Broward County Sheriffs not doing their job.

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    There were several reports that Cruz put a gun to someones head...his own brother and Mother. He was also kicked out of a home where he was staying after his Mom died for violent behavior. This kid was dangerous and everyone dropped the ball...including the ones who evaluated him. It is a tough call to make, whether to invoke the Baker Act or not...but how much do they need to do this? I would think a call about someone holding a gun to someones head would be enough. The County does have a diversion program to prevent teens from going to jail...a last chance program. Many States or Cities have them. But they are not meant for violent teens, just teens who lost their way, such as B&E, drugs, theft, etc. Under reasonable regulation, a violent act should be recorded into a database, arrest or not. It could be a temporary hold until the person can adjudicate themselves as safe to purchase a weapon. It protects everyone...including the person who is mentally ill.

    Read this article, then determine if it was wise to allow this kid to purchase a weapon and remain untreated for violent tendencies.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...all/366343002/

    This is Dade County Diversion Program for Teens....it is obvious Cruz did not attend this program.

    Miami-Dade County - Juvenile Services Department - Prevention Services

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    Sounds familiar ... didn't the want to do the same / similar during the days of Trayvon ... Obama's son?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    We've all heard about the 39 calls to law enforcement on the Parkland shooter. Now a good question to ask is why. Why didn't they arrest him? He was in clear violation of several laws at many points and it seemed like everyone except law enforcement at every level knew how dangerous this guy was.
    I submit this knowing full well that it's a conspiracy theory without a whole lot of evidence. But it makes sense.
    Basically the theory is that Miami Dade county started doing something and Broward followed suit. They wanted to reduce their juvenile crime rate, so that they could get increased federal funding and good PR. So to achieve this, the Sheriff's Department basically stopped arresting teenagers.
    It explains a lot. Like that 20 minute delay in the video feed? That wasn't a bug, that was a feature so that they could then go and cover up video evidence of crimes in the school.
    So I'm not sure I completely buy in. But it makes sense.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/9...744374784.html
    Heard two media accounts that the juveniles in trouble and turned over to police were racially unequal. So they just stopped doing it. Need a racial balance in how many times the police are involved. That should be easy enough to track down and settle. May be no conspiracy at all but a policy decision.
    When has race ever been factored in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    We've all heard about the 39 calls to law enforcement on the Parkland shooter. Now a good question to ask is why. Why didn't they arrest him? He was in clear violation of several laws at many points and it seemed like everyone except law enforcement at every level knew how dangerous this guy was.
    I submit this knowing full well that it's a conspiracy theory without a whole lot of evidence. But it makes sense.
    Basically the theory is that Miami Dade county started doing something and Broward followed suit. They wanted to reduce their juvenile crime rate, so that they could get increased federal funding and good PR. So to achieve this, the Sheriff's Department basically stopped arresting teenagers.
    It explains a lot. Like that 20 minute delay in the video feed? That wasn't a bug, that was a feature so that they could then go and cover up video evidence of crimes in the school.
    So I'm not sure I completely buy in. But it makes sense.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/9...744374784.html
    Parkland is in the Florida Panhandle, not south Florida. I think you are entirely incorrect.

    IMO, police still often fail to respond appropriately to domestic violence calls. Not arresting if asked not to by the victim. Not making detailed reports. Not treating child on parent violence as a crime.

    Plus, it may have been obvious Cruz was not neuro-typical. They might have thought this was a medical issue, not a criminal one.

    It's certainly possible police in any jurisdiction fudge their numbers, and it is true that juvenile crime, like all crime, has reportedly declined.

    But I think your overt, conscious conspiracy theory is wrong. I am prepared to believe the cops act badly at times, but on this occassion, no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Parkland is in the Florida Panhandle, not south Florida. I think you are entirely incorrect.

    IMO, police still often fail to respond appropriately to domestic violence calls. Not arresting if asked not to by the victim. Not making detailed reports. Not treating child on parent violence as a crime.

    Plus, it may have been obvious Cruz was not neuro-typical. They might have thought this was a medical issue, not a criminal one.

    It's certainly possible police in any jurisdiction fudge their numbers, and it is true that juvenile crime, like all crime, has reportedly declined.

    But I think your overt, conscious conspiracy theory is wrong. I am prepared to believe the cops act badly at times, but on this occassion, no.

    You sure about that....?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    You sure about that....?
    Let me check.

    Arrgh! Broward county, not Leon. I sit corrected, and thank you for the data.

    But I stand by my other comments. Parents of violent children and teens are rarely, if ever, adequately supported by the police and juvenile justice system, especially when the kids are obviously not entirely normal.

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