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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Let me check.

    Arrgh! Broward county, not Leon. I sit corrected, and thank you for the data.

    But I stand by my other comments. Parents of violent children and teens are rarely, if ever, adequately supported by the police and juvenile justice system, especially when the kids are obviously not entirely normal.
    You are correct...even in Cleveland. I know a woman who has the daughter from hell. She has done all kinds of things, threw bricks at cars, destroys walls in her home, runs away all the time, found gang poses on her cell phone, been kicked out of several charter schools for fighting. The girl is 14. She was booked, mug shot and all for the brick problem, but they have yet to pick her up...after her Mom begged them take her away. It is making this woman physically sick over this girl. The girl is not her biological child, but this lady wants nothing else to do with her...but she is stuck in this situation because no one will take her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    You are correct...even in Cleveland. I know a woman who has the daughter from hell. She has done all kinds of things, threw bricks at cars, destroys walls in her home, runs away all the time, found gang poses on her cell phone, been kicked out of several charter schools for fighting. The girl is 14. She was booked, mug shot and all for the brick problem, but they have yet to pick her up...after her Mom begged them take her away. It is making this woman physically sick over this girl. The girl is not her biological child, but this lady wants nothing else to do with her...but she is stuck in this situation because no one will take her.
    Try dropping her off at a fire station.

    Sometimes that works....

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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    Try dropping her off at a fire station.

    Sometimes that works....
    That only works for babies!! Since she is legally responsible for her, she would get charged for abandonment if she did this. I told her to go for milk one day and never return.

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    Ethically the shooter was as guilty as his enablers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    Ethically the shooter was as guilty as his enablers?
    Maybe a little more. Or a lot more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    Heard two media accounts that the juveniles in trouble and turned over to police were racially unequal. So they just stopped doing it. Need a racial balance in how many times the police are involved. That should be easy enough to track down and settle. May be no conspiracy at all but a policy decision.
    When has race ever been factored in?
    Now that you mention it, BSO has had some issues with race. For example, there's this lovely program they ran using female CI's to entrap young men. BSO Viper Unit Entrapping Black Men With Amorous Women | New Times Broward-Palm Beach It entrapped 18 men, all black.
    BSO was also sued by the owner of a hip hop club alleging he was targeted by them. Club's suit alleging excessive policing during hip-hop events gets go-ahead from judge - Sun Sentinel

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    Is this why the Parkland shooter was never arrested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    We've all heard about the 39 calls to law enforcement on the Parkland shooter. Now a good question to ask is why. Why didn't they arrest him? He was in clear violation of several laws at many points and it seemed like everyone except law enforcement at every level knew how dangerous this guy was.
    I submit this knowing full well that it's a conspiracy theory without a whole lot of evidence. But it makes sense.
    Basically the theory is that Miami Dade county started doing something and Broward followed suit. They wanted to reduce their juvenile crime rate, so that they could get increased federal funding and good PR. So to achieve this, the Sheriff's Department basically stopped arresting teenagers.
    It explains a lot. Like that 20 minute delay in the video feed? That wasn't a bug, that was a feature so that they could then go and cover up video evidence of crimes in the school.
    So I'm not sure I completely buy in. But it makes sense.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/9...744374784.html
    Really unsettling to consider. If state or federal funding goes up with fewer arrests and down with more arrests, and departments have broad discretion as to when to make arrests, we have created a very perverse incentive within our public safety departments, where neglect reflects positively and safety reflects negatively.

    A different flavor of the problem has been seen up here. When oil prices crashed and state revenue plummeted, we just loosened our punishments for crimes. It was in the name of “reducing prison overcrowding and recidivism.” It just so happened to coincide with “oh fuck we’re out of money.”
    Last edited by Neomalthusian; 24th February 2018 at 03:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    They didn't. They cut off funding for advocacy.
    Now what does that have to do with the Broward County Sheriffs not doing their job.
    No, they cut off research. Read the articles. I'm only going to include one quote from one of the articles.


    But one reason the positions are so intractable is that no one really knows what works to prevent gun deaths. Gun-control research in the United States essentially came to a standstill in 1996. After 21 years, the science is stale.

    “In the area of what works to prevent shootings, we know almost nothing,” Mark Rosenberg, who, in the mid-1990s, led the CDC's gun-violence research efforts, said shortly after the San Bernardino shooting in 2015.
    The National Institute of Justice, an arm of the U.S. Department of Justice, funded 32 gun-related studies from 1993 to 1999, but none from 2009 to 2012, according to Mayors Against Illegal Guns. The institute then resumed funding in 2013, in the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting the year before. Researchers in search of private funding say they know to avoid the word “gun” or “firearm” in the titles of violence-prevention studies to avoid blowback.
    That hasn't stopped the rallying cry for “common-sense gun control.” But, as Rosenberg pointed out, we don't know what that looks like. Maybe background checks are not the answer. Maybe allowing guns on college campuses makes those places safer. Maybe there is a way to stop a single gunman from killing and wounding hundreds of people at a concert in Las Vegas.
    But, many advocates say, it's impossible to have an honest debate about preventing gun violence when we can't study the issue.

    Everyone agrees the Las Vegas shooting was a tragedy. But no one knows what might work to prevent the next one.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.1976f3a099eb

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.5cb04e35612a

    Republicans cut off funding because they don't want to know what can be effectively done. The gun lobby would rather see deaths, even child deaths than risk a restriction that might limit a type of firearm or magazine capacity based on hard research. The gun lobby like the tobacco industry are purveyors of death.
    Last edited by HenryPorter; 24th February 2018 at 06:26 PM.
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