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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    You need to visit northern New England then! Read where NH and Maine are some of Alex Jones most popular audiences. I was surprised but I do know quite a few who do like Infowars.
    BATSHIT FUCKING CRAZY! (I'm running out superlatives. Hell, I'm running out of profanities!)

    HOW DID THIS HAPPEN?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpicturetaker12 View Post
    BATSHIT FUCKING CRAZY! (I'm running out superlatives. Hell, I'm running out of profanities!)

    HOW DID THIS HAPPEN?????
    We have tons of the free staters moving up here and they are influencing people. Mainers are just plain weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Spy found dead in a bag, Gareth Williams, 'had infuriated his MI6 bosses' | Daily Mail Online

    Even though I know that like every other link, will just be rejected with no logic attached.
    The link is fine with me. The connection isn't very clear though. How many other things did this spy do in his lifetime? Yet strangely, getting the guest list for a Clinton event as a favor for a friend was the cause of his death and not any of the other things he did like

    The exact nature of his work remains a closely guarded secret, but sources claim he dealt with equipment that tracked the flow of cash from Russia to Europe.

    The technology enabled MI6 to follow money trails from bank accounts in Russia to criminal European gangs. One theory is that Mr Williams had disrupted a mafia ring closely linked to the Russian state.

    Cars registered to the Russian Embassy were spotted near his Pimlico flat just days before his body was discovered on August 23, 2010.
    I think you suffer from confirmation bias. You scan his whole lifetime looking for the word Clinton, but in doing so you glean over the Russian mafia. Confirmation bias is rampant among those susceptible to conspiracy theories. It's like religion for them. They ignore any evidence to the contrary, and obsess over vague correlations that mean little.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Why the fuck is this person using Cyrillic alphabet for their screen name???

    I get it that a lot of Trumpists in the US like and identify with Putin and Russia. But I didn't know it was to SUCH an extent...
    It's just another case of Russian meddling. I think, like half the trump supporters, she didn't get the message that Hillary already lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    As requested...



    No, not trolls, people that observed the trend.
    The trend, as you can see, is for people who piss off the Clintons to live long, healthy lives. The way that unintelligent people work to convince themselves otherwise is to come at the question in reverse. Rather than looking at those who have pissed off the Clintons and seeing how they're doing, they instead look for people who have died early and then speculate wildly about how they may have pissed off the Clintons.

    Really, people with connections to the clintons have a far higher incidence of dying young, in car accidents, suicides
    Show me statistical support for that. What is the average life expectancy of someone who knows the Clintons versus the average life expectancy of a person in general? Perhaps we could start with a sub-set of people, like just heads of cabinets in the Clinton administration -- that would be a reasonably small group to work with and we could see how long each lived relative to what actuarial tables say about how long they would be expected to live. Up for joining me in crunching those numbers to test your theory?

    Kenneth Starr - job was to prevent treason for selling missile secrets
    No clue what you're talking about. What makes you think he was involved in the question of selling missile secrets?

    Starr's job was to determine if the Clintons had done anything improper related to an old Arkansas land deal. After the first special investigator had determined they hadn't done anything improper, the Republicans wanted a second opinion, from a hard-line right-winger, and so Starr was tasked with repeating the investigation. After he had determined the first investigator was correct, he was essentially given a second job: to pull a dragnet through every aspect of the Clintons' lives to try to find something --anything-- his fellow Republicans could use as a pretext for an impeachment. He failed to come up with anything meaningful despite millions of dollars of effort over the course of many years, so ultimately the Republicans gave up and just decided to impeach Clinton for lying about a blowjob.

    Paula Jones - she played only by legal rules
    And? Does playing by legal rules insulate a person from the mythical Clinton death list?

    Barack Obama (beat Hillary) - the deal was she steps down, takes sos position till he gets her elected the next time
    He didn't get her elected. Should we expect him to kick the bucket any minute now?

    Donald Trump (ditto) - there have been at least 2 assassination attempts on trump already
    There are countless assassination attempts on every president. Hell, on Clinton's watch someone even flew a plane into the White House. But imagine if the paranoid right wing were right about a vast deep-state conspiracy to get Trump, with murderous Clintons wrapped up in that. Do you imagine Trump would still be alive?

    Bernie Sanders - he played ball
    Sanders did the right thing and campaigned for Hillary Clinton after he'd lost the nomination, but not until after months of very negative and personal campaigning against her. If the Clintons were what the loony right-wingers think them to be, why wouldn't they just have had him conveniently die of a heart attack, on campaign, around the time it became clear he'd be going negative? The guy was in his mid-70s... it's not like it would seem terribly suspicious if, under the strains of a national campaign, an old man's heart kicked out.

    Newt Gingrich - dunno
    Bob Dole - dunno
    Well, I do know. They were the two leading political opponents of Clinton in the 90s. They fought him every step of the way, from their perch atop the House and Senate, respectively. Then Dole went on to run against Clinton in '96, and Gingrich went on to lead the impeachment effort against him (all the while lying about his own affairs). Both are alive and well today -- Bob Dole at the ripe old age of 94.

    , Rupert Murdoch - made
    Roger Ailes - made
    Rush Limbaugh - made / protected
    Bill O'Reilly - made / protected
    , Sean Hannity - made / protected
    I'm having trouble keeping up with the paranoia here. What does "made" mean? From what I can see the rule seems to be that anyone who dies young was killed by the Clintons, while all their enemies who live to a ripe old age don't count because the fact they lived to a ripe old age can be seen as proof they're "made" or "protected." Do you spot the circular reasoning?

    Juanita Broaddrick, Kathleen Willey, Gennifer Flowers, Monica Lewinsky - they were already victims who made the accusations, that is gift wrapped motive
    You haven't thought this through even a little, have you? The whole M.O. of the paranoids, in trying to attribute an untimely death to the Clintons, is to point to a supposed motive the Clintons would have to have them dead. Since there's never any actual evidence of Clinton involvement in the death, this supposed motive is the only way to try to tie the death to them in the public's mind. Yet in cases where people who have harmed the Clintons live to a ripe old age, we're told the Clintons can't have them killed because there would be an identifiable motive tying it to the Clintons. Do you spot the silliness of this rhetoric? The existence of a motive cannot sanely simultaneously be used as the only tie between a death and the Clintons, and as a way of explaining away why other inconvenient people weren't killed. It works one way or the other, not both.

    Bob Barr - being opposed does not make a target
    This wasn't mere opposition. Bob Barr was one of the colossal hypocrites who actually managed the impeachment procedure against Clinton (Barr a man who'd cheated on his wife, and was actually on his third wife at the time). If even being one of the top organizers of an impeachment can't get a violent reaction from the Clintons, what can?

    Ann Coulter - celebrity
    Like Kate Spade and how many others on the supposed Clinton death list?

    Dinesh D'Souza - they got him as good as they could
    We're told they have the power to have dozens and dozens of people killed, up to and including people like Supreme Court justices. Yet, somehow, the best they could do with D'Souza is outing him for his lawbreaking?

    People who worked for Clinton, that is otherwise not famous, that learns something they ought not... Well, when they break the connection, they better get famous and disappear, or the likelihood of a car accident or plane crash goes up dramatically.
    I honestly can't follow what you're saying here -- I wonder if even you can. Which is it -- to stay alive do they have to get famous or disappear. You said both. Strange.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I seriously think we need to open up places for these people where they cant use social media. It sounds terrible but this isnt funny anymore, this stuff spreads like wildfire and millions of people believe it, especially the elderly or the very young. Then the real news has to try to explain it all and say its fake but by then its spread like wildfire and they think they news is lying to them. Then we get people trying to shoot up pizzerias or SWATTING teens homes.
    But trump relies on his propaganda and those stupid enough to believe it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Spy found dead in a bag, Gareth Williams, 'had infuriated his MI6 bosses' | Daily Mail Online

    Even though I know that like every other link, will just be rejected with no logic attached.
    Do you have a link to coverage in a reputable paper? The Daily Mail is a disgraced British tabloid.

    If you read up on it, you should see that the Metropolitan Police investigated this and concluded he was likely killed by Russian assassins. The idea that the coroner called it a suicide is incorrect.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/...r-never-solved
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    The Clinton "link" was only one of many insane speculations in the Daily Fail piece. The "secret data" was supposedly the guest list for a dinner where Clinton was a speaker. Hardly a reason for murder. The entire thing is poor quality conspiracy theory. Logically speaking.
    One thing I've found fascinating, in recent years, is the very strong link that has developed between the dumber variety of American conservatives and bottom-feeding British tabloids. It's an odd link, since I don't imagine Americans are in the habit of reading gossip rags sold in super-market-checkout-lines in the UK, yet somehow they swallow and regurgitate a steady stream of this tripe from such sources. I wonder how they even find that material. Is it "digested" for them by Breitbart, Drudge, etc.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    You need to visit northern New England then! Read where NH and Maine are some of Alex Jones most popular audiences. I was surprised but I do know quite a few who do like Infowars.
    I visit Northern New England frequently -- my mother, brother, and father all live in Maine. I haven't met any Mainers who believe that garbage. But, my social circle lives in a better-educated part of the state: Cumberland County. That's not the dim-bulb part of the state that went for LePage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkady View Post
    They're trolls. I think there are very few people GENUINELY stupid enough to believe the "Clinton Body Count" nonsense. They just pretend to be that stupid to get a rise out of people.

    Here's a challenge to present if you ever encounter someone who may actually be stupid enough to have bought into that talking point about the Clintons killing off their political enemies. Ask them to make a list of who they think the top enemies of the Clintons have been over the years, in terms of the extent to which they harmed Bill or Hillary's political interests or otherwise caused them problems. Then ask them how those people are doing.

    Here's something like what the top of a Clinton Enemies List would look like, if you took an honest look at the problems people had caused them over the years:

    Kenneth Starr, Paula Jones, Barack Obama (beat Hillary), Donald Trump (ditto), Bernie Sanders, Newt Gingrich, Bob Dole, Rupert Murdoch, Roger Ailes, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Maureen Dowd, Glenn Beck, Scalia, Rehnquist, Kennedy, O'Connor, Roberts, Thomas, Richard Mellon Scaife, Larry Klayman, Juanita Broaddrick, Kathleen Willey, Gennifer Flowers, Monica Lewinsky, David Brock, Susan Webber Wright, Henry Hyde, Trent Lott, Asa Hutchinson, Bob Barr, Henry Hyde, Rudy Giuliani, Frank D. White, Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham, Linda Tripp, Lucianne Goldberg, Dinesh D'Souza, etc.

    The point, of course, is that nearly everyone on that list is still alive and well, and the handful who have died lived to a ripe old age before dying well after when they were causing problems for the Clintons. If the Clintons had the habit of having people who cause problems for them killed, that list would have plenty of people who died mysteriously and young. Instead, to pitch the "Clinton Body Count" BS, the right-wing nuts have to keep their eyes out for anyone who ever met any of the Clintons in any capacity who died prematurely, and then make up wacky stories about how somehow that death served the Clintons. Not only would someone have to be deeply stupid to believe such nonsense, but also clinically paranoid.
    What are you talking about? There are plenty of trump supporters. You know, the ones who say the Mexicans are stealing our jobs so we need to build a 100 billion dollar wall to keep them out when unemployment is practically lower than it's been in history and the number of those crossing that border is lower than it's been in decades.
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