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    Fake concept of fake news

    Why are we acting like "fake news" is some new and unprecedentedly scary thing? It means lies, hoaxes, deliberate misinterpretation. Fabricated news. It can also be used for truthful news that we just don't like and don't wish to be true. That is a new thing how? Even wikipedia gives us historical examples dating back to Ramses the Great, Marc Anthony and Cleopatra. Yes, I know, social media, blah blah blah. That's like saying that birthday wishes are a new thing because apparently no one ever got wished "Happy Birthday" before his family and friends got a Facebook notification.

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    The Republican propaganda machine thrives on buzzwords. It really is just that simple.

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    The problem is twofold here. First, the unprecedented volume of fake news. And the fact that as people are becoming more and more polarized, they are just not bothering to evaluate the veracity of the news they choose to believe.

    I don't ever remember identifying fake news as being a subject that needed to be taught, but more and more schools are introducing it.

    And yes, the social media is a lot to blame. No matter how wingnutty a point of view you want to have, you can find sources and fellow wingnuts that will offer that and support it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    The problem is twofold here. First, the unprecedented volume of fake news. And the fact that as people are becoming more and more polarized, they are just not bothering to evaluate the veracity of the news they choose to believe.

    I don't ever remember identifying fake news as being a subject that needed to be taught, but more and more schools are introducing it.

    And yes, the social media is a lot to blame. No matter how wingnutty a point of view you want to have, you can find sources and fellow wingnuts that will offer that and support it.
    The fake news comes out of the WH and Trump's foul mouth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    The fake news comes out of the WH and Trump's foul mouth.
    Well, Druggie Limbaugh, Hannity, Baghdad Bobbette Sanders, Tucker Carlson, The Blaze boy, most of the Fox and Friends crew to name just a few help a whole hell of a lot. Lots of the Republican President's blather is just stuff he heard from them.
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    Fake news was a huge issue is the election cycle.
    One unscrupulous fake news supplier could post many ads in Facebook and other folks would run with it.

    One way to tell usually is if the three biggest all carry it, it has been vetted.
    Most news organizations get it from same place, while also investigating stories on own.

    I'm very liberal and love to read my news,
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    The Republican propaganda machine thrives on buzzwords. It really is just that simple.
    Like many other things, it's not an exclusively Republican or even exlusively US thing, though.

    People unwilling to check sources and hearing only what they want to hear live everywhere and have lived since the beginning of humankind.

    News (real and fake) travel faster nowadays, yes, but 1) that doesn't change the nature of their content, and 2) unless I'm missing something huge (entirely possible with someone to whom PH is the closest thing to "social media" she uses), they don't travel THAT faster than, say, 5 or even 10 years ago when no one seemed that terrified and perplexed by the fact that people sometimes say and share things that aren't true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helena View Post
    Why are we acting like "fake news" is some new and unprecedentedly scary thing? It means lies, hoaxes, deliberate misinterpretation. Fabricated news. It can also be used for truthful news that we just don't like and don't wish to be true. That is a new thing how? Even wikipedia gives us historical examples dating back to Ramses the Great, Marc Anthony and Cleopatra. Yes, I know, social media, blah blah blah. That's like saying that birthday wishes are a new thing because apparently no one ever got wished "Happy Birthday" before his family and friends got a Facebook notification.
    I never thought of "fake news" as something new. To me, it is all about who's calling whom or what, "fake".

    Not the best conversation, but I remember when a young kid, as with kids, farting was not something to stay quiet about wonder who the heck has terrible gas, but something to bring up and kid someone about. A lot of times the person that let loose with the gas (cut the cheese) was accused of being the one that farted. The theory, true or not, was all about the idea that the person who let loose with a fart, trying to distract from or dispel any thoughts of anyone blaming them, so they ask who farted, all the while knowing they were the one that did.

    in my experience, those that spend so much time extolling their own virtues in an almost obsessive way are doing so to try to cover up insecurities about themselves and try to appear the opposite of being unsure of themselves. If someone with that sort of behavior then tries to convince people that any stories about their behavior (behavior that lots of people have witnessed in person) are fake, is the one that is the fake and seem to hope they can find some people that will believe what they say, not what they do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helena View Post
    Like many other things, it's not an exclusively Republican or even exlusively US thing, though.

    People unwilling to check sources and hearing only what they want to hear live everywhere and have lived since the beginning of humankind.

    News (real and fake) travel faster nowadays, yes, but 1) that doesn't change the nature of their content, and 2) unless I'm missing something huge (entirely possible with someone to whom PH is the closest thing to "social media" she uses), they don't travel THAT faster than, say, 5 or even 10 years ago when no one seemed that terrified and perplexed by the fact that people sometimes say and share things that aren't true.
    There are no consequences for telling and repeating lies. Even if you prove something false, people don't care. They just move to the next one.

    Alan Dershowitz once reminded us all in defense of Bill Clinton lying about the Lewinsky affair that the commandment about bearing false witness pertained to slander or libel. I think it's important for people to remember that when you falsely accuse someone, you aren't just lying, you're damaging another person in the process.

    "Sins of weakness and sins of malice". Big difference IMO.
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