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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    But that all helped Trump and the Russians.
    Thats the theory on how he was helped to win. Comey broke all sorts of protocol and looking back, he too looks almost complicit since he was never supposed to have announced they were looking back into Abedins laptop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    So let me get this straight: this theory is that Trump has been a Russian asset since the 1987 but the Russians needed to talk to George Papadopoulos in 2016 to get an in with the campaign?

    This theory is embarrassingly stupid.
    No one said anything like that. It's possible that Trump has had connections to the Russian government and they have probably known about some of his activities that would be either embarrassing or downright illegal, so they've been able to use him since the late 80s. No one said they "needed" Papadopolous to get in with the campaign. He along with several other Trump people had contacts with the Russians well before he started running for president and during and after.

    You're the one embarrassing yourself by being, I hope, purposely obtuse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Not quite sure its origins but basically this all began way back in the 90s, the idea of weakening the West and getting voters to mistrust media and various institutions. Supposedly the Bush family had some involvement and has something to do with GW rushing the US into war with Iraq and Afghanistan. Not clear on the Comey/Mueller connection other than they are close with the Bush's. I guess if we say Comey definitely had something to do with the 2016 outcome then he is somehow complicit as well. Especially since his announcement of HRC right before the election broke protocol. Also the FBI keep the fact quiet that Trump campaign was also under some scrutiny but it was a well kept secret.
    I knew nothing about the Dole and Bush stuff, but Comey's actions were awfully weird in relation to Hillary, I have to admit that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    No one said anything like that. It's possible that Trump has had connections to the Russian government and they have probably known about some of his activities that would be either embarrassing or downright illegal, so they've been able to use him since the late 80s. No one said they "needed" Papadopolous to get in with the campaign. He along with several other Trump people had contacts with the Russians well before he started running for president and during and after.

    You're the one embarrassing yourself by being, I hope, purposely obtuse.
    That's exactly what the article said. The article directly calls Trump a "Russian-intelligence asset". Didn't you read the article?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    No one said anything like that. It's possible that Trump has had connections to the Russian government and they have probably known about some of his activities that would be either embarrassing or downright illegal, so they've been able to use him since the late 80s. No one said they "needed" Papadopolous to get in with the campaign. He along with several other Trump people had contacts with the Russians well before he started running for president and during and after.

    You're the one embarrassing yourself by being, I hope, purposely obtuse.
    The problem there becomes determining how thats connected to the current happenings. Many businessmen went to Russia after 1988 or so as they welcomed US businesses. Really laid out the red carpet for investments. I am sure many did illicit and embarassing things as nothing was considered out of bounds back then. Plus Trump was no different back then so anything he did back then was probably not surprising. Trying to delve into what he did back then as a businessman and now 30 years later, is a mighty task.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    That's exactly what the article said. The article directly calls Trump a "Russian-intelligence asset". Didn't you read the article?
    Trump is a Russian asset but Papadopolous wasn't "needed" to get in the campaign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    Trump is a Russian asset but Papadopolous wasn't "needed" to get in the campaign.
    Lol ok. So the Russians just used him for fun.

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    I think a lot of the Bush connection came from the hiring of Ketchum, a Russian PR company for a summit. Also remember Trent Lott? He spent a lot of time in Putin's Russia back after being a politician, when he went to lobby for Gazprom. Ketchum did all sorts of work for Russia and Putin and Dole went to lobby for them in the early 2000s which brings in a Bush connection. This is an interesting piece from 2014 to show the concerns were building..

    https://qz.com/260064/a-recent-histo...n-us-politics/
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    The problem there becomes determining how thats connected to the current happenings. Many businessmen went to Russia after 1988 or so as they welcomed US businesses. Really laid out the red carpet for investments. I am sure many did illicit and embarassing things as nothing was considered out of bounds back then. Plus Trump was no different back then so anything he did back then was probably not surprising. Trying to delve into what he did back then as a businessman and now 30 years later, is a mighty task.
    True, but my point is, and as the article pointed out, Trump doesn't like his sexual proclivities aired in public and the Russians have always been notorious for bugging hotel rooms and I wouldn't be surprised if they've got files and files on Trump and other American businessmen. But then later, in the 2000s, Trump had to turn to Russia for money since no one else would lend him any and they had all this interesting stuff about him and were able to use it. I am convinced that Trump has been involved with money laundering and some of it for Russians. All they had to do was tell him about all the dirt they had on him and it was probably pretty easy to get him to do their bidding.

    Testimony to the U.S. Congress by the head of a political research firm indicates that the Trump Organization’s sales of properties to Russian nationals may have involved money-laundering, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee said on Thursday.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1F727X

    We weren’t the first to say it, and we won’t be the last, but here around the shebeen we’ve always known that it was going to be the money that ends it all.

    Over the weekend, The Washington Post dropped a 200-pound dungbomb on the president* that clarified once and for all why Robert Mueller is chasing the president*’s dubious business practices as well as the campaign’s involvement with Russian ratfcking. From the Post:

    In the nine years before he ran for president, Donald Trump's company spent more than $400 million in cash on new properties—including 14 transactions paid for in full, without borrowing from banks—during a buying binge that defied real estate industry practices and Trump's own history as the self-described "King of Debt." …

    Trump had access to far more cash than previously known, despite his string of commercial bankruptcies and the Great Recession's hammering of the real estate industry. Why did the "King of Debt," as he has called himself in interviews, turn away from that strategy, defying the real estate wisdom that it's unwise to risk so much of one's own money in a few projects?
    https://www.esquire.com/news-politic...ization-money/

    I could find more links if anyone wants, but once he started the money laundering for Russians then they really had dirt on him.
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