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    Former CIA Agent Claims Americans Did Not Kill bin Laden

    Osama bin Laden died a natural death nearly 5 years before it was announced that he was eliminated by the American commandos. This sensational statement was made by a Turkish politician, and a former U.S. intelligence agent. In an interview with Russia's Channel One, he said that the Americans simply found and opened the tomb of the leader of al-Qaeda.

    The journalists of Channel One first met this man in 2008. At the time he was featured in the documentary "Plan Caucasus," talking about the attempts of the western intelligence services in the early 1990's to separate the Northern Caucasus and, in particular, Chechnya from Russia. Chechen by nationality, Berkan Yashar is now a Turkish politician, but in those years he was one of the ideologists of Johar Dudayev. He asked for a meeting, promising to tell the truth about the death of Osama bin Laden whom he met in the early 90-ies in Chechnya.

    "In September of 1992 I was in Chechnya, that's when I first met the man whose name was Bin Laden. This meeting took place in a two-story house in the city of Grozny; on the top floor was a family of Gamsakhurdia, the Georgian president, who then was kicked out of his country. We met on the bottom floor; Osama lived in the same building, "said Berkan Yashar. Berkan said he did not know why bin Laden visited while in Grozny, and said only one thing about his meetings: "Just wanted to talk."

    However, according to Channel One, in those years the former employee of Radio Liberty Berkan Yashar already had an operational name Abubakar, given to him by the CIA. According to Berkan, after that trip Chechen nationals appeared in Osama bin Laden's circle. Berkan Yashar emphasized that they did not participate "directly in the terror bombings." "They protected bin Laden, it was his choice because he trusted them entirely, and knew that they would never betray," said Yashar. According to Yashar he was not the only one who knew about it, but the Russian security services and the CIA were aware of this as well.

    Answering the question whether he believed that the Americans killed Osama bin Laden in Pakistan, Berkan Yashar answered: "Even if the entire world believed I could not possibly believe it." "I personally know the Chechens who protected him, they are Sami, Mahmood, and Ayub, and they were with him until the very end. I remember that day very well, there were three sixes in it: 26 June 2006. These people, as well as two others from London and two Americans, all seven of them, saw him dead. He was very ill, he was skin and bones, very thin, and they washed him and buried him," said Berkan Yashar.

    Yashar stressed that although the two American Muslims and two British Muslims the guards of bin Laden and saw him dead, they did not participate in the funerals. "Only three Chechens buried him, according to his will," said Yashar. Bin Laden was buried, according to Yashar, in the mountains on the Pakistan-Afghan border. "There was no assault," said Yashar. "I know the American operations from the inside: they find the grave, dig out bin Laden and tell everyone about this. They need to show how technologically the security services worked, how each step was controlled, and then present it as a great victory to show that taxpayers are not paying taxes for nothing.

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    Berkan now blames himself for the fact that the Chechens from the protection of bin Laden, "the terrorist number one" are no longer alive after the U.S. intelligence services began to tap Berkan's telephone conversations. He said he was the first one who announced the date of death of bin Laden. "I was the first one who announced the date of his death in November of 2008 at a conference in Washington, not naming any names, and it looks like it was when the Americans began to track my contacts," he said.The last security guard Berkan saw Sami, who, according to him, a few days before bin Laden was declared killed, was kidnapped by the U.S. intelligence agencies. According to Berkan, most likely, it was him who disclosed to them the exact place of burial in the mountains on the Pakistan-Afghan border..

    In any case, the last call from Sami was from Pakistan. Berkan explained why he informed the journalists of Channel One: he feared for his life. According to him, only wide publicity around the world can protect him from the CIA. However, just in case, the Turkish secret services, according to him, provided him with guards and weapons.
    Former CIA Agent Claims Americans Did Not Kill bin Laden - English pravda.ru

    Yes. I'm aware of the source. But I find the alleged date of actual death - 6/26/2006 - interesting (and not for the obvious numerology reasons):

    Benazir Bhutto, who was killed in a suicide attack at the end of 2007 stated in November that the Osama bin Laden, the head of the international terrorist network al-Qaida, had been killed. Bhutto claimed that she even knew the man who had killed the prime suspect of 9/11 terrorist attacks in the USA. According to Bhutto’s words, Bin Laden was killed by Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh – one of those convicted of kidnapping and killing U.S. journalist Daniel Pearl.

    Bhutto released that statement on November 2, 2007 in an interview with Al-Jazeera TV channel. Bhutto spoke in English in the program titled Frost Over the World. However, no one paid any attention to her words. Speaking about the enemies, who did not wish to see her back in Pakistan, she said: “Omar Sheikh is the man who murdered Osama bin Laden.”
    Benazir Bhutto named Osama bin Laden?s killer before her death - English pravda.ru

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin Tetsuro View Post
    Former CIA Agent Claims Americans Did Not Kill bin Laden - English pravda.ru

    Yes. I'm aware of the source. But I find the alleged date of actual death - 6/26/2006 - interesting (and not for the obvious numerology reasons):



    Benazir Bhutto named Osama bin Laden?s killer before her death - English pravda.ru

    Thoughts?
    The two links contradict each other. One says he was sick and died of natural causes... the other that he was killed. This sort of goes to show that there is plenty of misinformation out there and if I am forced to choose between a American military source and a Pakistani source... I'm going to trust the American source. Why? Because Pakistanis are antagonistic towards the US and sympathetic towards Bin Laden.

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    Bin Laden died in 2001 December of. Hell he worked for the CIA until 9-11-01. I guess more than one contract expired in that year for this guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michaelr View Post
    Bin Laden died in 2001 December of. Hell he worked for the CIA until 9-11-01. I guess more than one contract expired in that year for this guy.
    Didn't they call him "Tim Osman?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin Tetsuro View Post
    Former CIA Agent Claims Americans Did Not Kill bin Laden - English pravda.ru

    Yes. I'm aware of the source. But I find the alleged date of actual death - 6/26/2006 - interesting (and not for the obvious numerology reasons):



    Benazir Bhutto named Osama bin Laden?s killer before her death - English pravda.ru

    Thoughts?
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    Well yeah, mikey's conspiracy theory proves your conspiracy theory is all wrong.

    But let's think about the friggin obvious known fact your conspiracy theory overlooks - Bush and Cheney would have been happy to claim that they bagged OBL in 2006, had the CIA actually killed him then.

    One of the many reasons why public opinion changed and why Bush's presidency was seen as such a failure was the failure to get OBL after years of wars. Bush was getting all freaked out on people judging his presidency as one of the worst in US history, if he could have claimed victory by proving his CIA killed OBL he would have done so in a New York second.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vortex View Post
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    Well yeah, mikey's conspiracy theory proves your conspiracy theory is all wrong.

    But let's think about the friggin obvious known fact your conspiracy theory overlooks - Bush and Cheney would have been happy to claim that they bagged OBL in 2006, had the CIA actually killed him then.

    One of the many reasons why public opinion changed and why Bush's presidency was seen as such a failure was the failure to get OBL after years of wars. Bush was getting all freaked out on people judging his presidency as one of the worst in US history, if he could have claimed victory by proving his CIA killed OBL he would have done so in a New York second.

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    Osama was worth more to Bush alive and free than dead.
    He kept BushCorp's faithful followers poopin' in their pampers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chief View Post
    the two links contradict each other. One says he was sick and died of natural causes... The other that he was killed. This sort of goes to show that there is plenty of misinformation out there and if i am forced to choose between a american military source and a pakistani source... i'm going to trust the american source. Why? Because pakistanis are antagonistic towards the us and sympathetic towards bin laden.
    yepp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inkslinger View Post
    Obama was worth more to Bush alive and free than dead.
    He kept BushCorp's faithful followers poopin' in their pampers.
    Then don't you mean he meant a lot to Obama too, as in your theory Obama was also perpetrating this as a myth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin Tetsuro View Post
    Former CIA Agent Claims Americans Did Not Kill bin Laden - English pravda.ru

    Yes. I'm aware of the source. But I find the alleged date of actual death - 6/26/2006 - interesting (and not for the obvious numerology reasons):



    Benazir Bhutto named Osama bin Laden?s killer before her death - English pravda.ru

    Thoughts?
    I would not give this sort of thing any credence were it not for a "kill order" on Bin Laden and then a few hours later a burial at sea. I mean what the hell???

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    The first source seems full of propaganda. It was written at the time of the Chechan uprising and surprisingly enough seems to implicate the Chechans as either supporting or hiding Bin Laden.
    In September of 1992 I was in Chechnya, that's when I first met the man whose name was Bin Laden. This meeting took place in a two-story house in the city of Grozny; on the top floor was a family of Gamsakhurdia, the Georgian president, who then was kicked out of his country. We met on the bottom floor; Osama lived in the same building, "said Berkan Yashar. Berkan said he did not know why bin Laden visited while in Grozny, and said only one thing about his meetings: "Just wanted to talk."
    Answering the question whether he believed that the Americans killed Osama bin Laden in Pakistan, Berkan Yashar answered: "Even if the entire world believed I could not possibly believe it." "I personally know the Chechens who protected him, they are Sami, Mahmood, and Ayub, and they were with him until the very end. I remember that day very well, there were three sixes in it: 26 June 2006. These people, as well as two others from London and two Americans, all seven of them, saw him dead. He was very ill, he was skin and bones, very thin, and they washed him and buried him," said Berkan Yashar.
    Yashar stressed that although the two American Muslims and two British Muslims the guards of bin Laden and saw him dead, they did not participate in the funerals. "Only three Chechens buried him, according to his will," said Yashar. Bin Laden was buried, according to Yashar, in the mountains on the Pakistan-Afghan border. "There was no assault," said Yashar. "I know the American operations from the inside: they find the grave, dig out bin Laden and tell everyone about this. They need to show how technologically the security services worked, how each step was controlled, and then present it as a great victory to show that taxpayers are not paying taxes for nothing.
    This is meant mostly to implicate Chechens as aiding Al-Qaida, and make it look like the Russians are merely fighting terrorists in Chechnya. I don't think this is a good source. Not sure about OBL's death -- it seems like a coverup when the people who supposedly killed bin Laden are killed in a helicopter crash before they can come home and talk to the press. And the burial at sea. Kinda convienient that all possible evidence for the death of Bin Laden is destroyed before it can be publicly examined.

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