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    Quote Originally Posted by Meursault View Post
    No, you didn't say anything even remotely in line with reality. Reagan didn't cause the collapse of the Soviet Union.
    Do NOT speak badly of St. Ronald of the...what was I saying? I forgot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meursault View Post
    You're clueless.

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    It was the Soviets own militarism/imperialism that was unsustainable and Gorbachev ended it thus ending the Soviet Empire. The cold war in general also forced the USSR to spend an unsustainable amount on military even outside of their imperialist agenda. Carters intervention in Afghanistan with Brzezinski did a lot of damage as far as luring the USSR into Afghanistan for a unwindable war with the US funded/supported Mujaheddin. That was basically the straw that broke the camels back.
    Are you kidding me?

    What action did Carter actually take?

    Oh yea, he gave a plagiarized version of the Truman Doctrine in a speech during the State of the Union where he quickly realized he didn't actually have any military assets to back up his little threat.

    He did absolutely nothing. NOTHING

    The US did not lure the Soviets into anything and Brzezinski was a fucking idiot.

    You more so if you give him any credibility.

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    Are you fucking kidding? The Right Wing Wacko's get the prize for the Fuck Up of all Fuck Ups called the Iraq War. That huge fuck up not only cost us nearly 5,000 US Soldiers lives but in the end will cost us $6 Trillion. Not to mention the soldiers that came back missing arms, legs, and brains. Bush and Cheney still have blood on their hands to this day. They just plain lost $10 Billion over there. Oops we lost it. Jesus Spooky, get a clue would you?
    Ummm...

    The Vietnam Conflict Extract Data File of the Defense Casualty Analysis System (DCAS) Extract Files contains records of 58,220 U.S. military fatal casualties of the Vietnam War. These records were transferred into the custody of the National Archives and Records Administration in 2008. The earliest casualty record contains a date of death of June 8, 1956, and the most recent casualty record contains a date of death of May 28, 2006. The Defense Casualty Analysis System Extract Files were created by the Defense Manpower Data Center (DMDC) of the Office of the Secretary of Defense. The records correspond to the Vietnam Conflict statistics on the DMDC web site, which is accessible online at https://www.dmdc.osd.mil/dcas/pages/main.xhtml.
    In the entire war, the United States spent about $140 billion (worth $950 billion in 2011 dollars) including $111 billion war cost, and $25 billion economic and military aid to Saigon regime. At that rate, the United States spent approximately $140,000 for an “enemy” killed. However, $140 billion was only the direct cost. According to Indochina Newsletter of Asia Resource Center, the United States spent from $350 billion to $900 billion in total including veteran benefits and interests.

    - See more at: How Much Did The Vietnam War Cost? - The Vietnam War
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meursault View Post
    I haven't forgotten it. I've read a lot of Brzezinski's work and he details what they did in Afghanistan. They lured the USSR into a war with the intention of giving the Soviets a "Vietnam War" they couldn't afford but the cold war in general combined with Soviet imperialism or over extension made their system unsustainable.
    I didn't believe you had forgotten it. The funny thing is, we've been in Afghanistan for 13 years now, in many ways taking up where the Soviets left off, ironically in many ways, facing the descendants of a Mujahideen we covertly supported as our role in the Soviet's "Vietnam" until the Soviets pulled out and we did too, proving to that Mujahideen that our interests weren't in Afghanistan or the people thereof, but in our cold war with the Soviets. Afghanistan fell back into turmoil and an ineffective government opened the door for former Mujahideen organized as the Taliban to offer Afghanis what no one else was at the time, unfortunately exacting a strict and severe "return" for their aid. Our pulling out of Afghanistan after the Soviets offered fodder to some to suggest our only interest was in giving the Soviets their "Vietnam", not in helping the Afghan people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    I've got him on ignore but I'm sure he has amnesia about Bush's lack of response with Georgia. At least Obama is doing more.

    Oh wait I see in the title he's comparing this to the failure to stop Hitler. Didn't the right just blast Hillary Clinton for doing that?
    To have amnesia is to imply that there is some intelligence. There is none. Complete idiot is all he is. That comment by Hillary was stupid.

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    Ummm...





    You were saying?
    So...in your world, two wrongs actually do make a right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Are you kidding me?

    What action did Carter actually take?

    Oh yea, he gave a plagiarized version of the Truman Doctrine in a speech during the State of the Union where he quickly realized he didn't actually have any military assets to back up his little threat.

    He did absolutely nothing. NOTHING

    The US did not lure the Soviets into anything and Brzezinski was a fucking idiot.

    You more so if you give him any credibility.
    You should spend less time posting and more time studying history, then perhaps your cult would seem less spooky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KnotaFrayed View Post
    I didn't believe you had forgotten it. The funny thing is, we've been in Afghanistan for 13 years now, in many ways taking up where the Soviets took off, ironically in many ways, facing the descendants of a Mujahideen we covertly supported as our role in the Soviets "Vietnam" until the Soviets pulled out and we did too, proving to that Mujahideen that our interests weren't in Afghanistan or the people thereof, but in our cold war with the Soviets. Afghanistan fell back into turmoil and an ineffective government opened the door for former Mujahideen to organize as the Taliban and offer Afghanis what no one else was at the time, unfortunately exacting a strict and severe "return" for their aid. Our pulling out of Afghanistan after the Soviets offered fodder to some to suggest our only interest was in giving the Soviets their "Vietnam", not in helping the Afghan people.
    The Mujahideen did not turn into the Taliban.

    Oh brother

    The Taliban have always existed as an extreme right-wing faction of the Pashtun tribe, the largest of the tribes that occupy the Afghanistan/Pakistan area.

    The Mujahideen largely broke off and went home after the war although many were still anxious to fight which led to Bin Laden's recruitment in the soon to become al-Qaeda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KnotaFrayed View Post
    You should spend less time posting and more time studying history, then perhaps your cult would seem less spooky.

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    I will make sure to give back my masters degree in history first thing tomorrow morning.

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    Oh look, a thread that Godwins itself out on the subject line.

    I bet it totally lives up to the hype.

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