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    After Nevada ranch stand-off, emboldened militias ask: where next?

    (Reuters) - Flat on his belly in a sniper position, wearing a baseball cap and a flak jacket, a protester aimed his semi-automatic rifle from the edge of an overpass and waited as a crowd below stood its ground against U.S. federal agents in the Nevada desert.

    He was part of a 1,000-strong coalition of armed militia-men, cowboys on horseback, gun rights activists and others who rallied to Cliven Bundy's Bunkerville ranch, about 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas, in a stand-off with about a dozen agents from the federal Bureau of Land Management.

    The rangers had rounded up hundreds of Bundy's cattle, which had been grazing illegally on federal lands for two decades. Bundy had refused to pay grazing fees, saying he did not recognize the government's authority over the land, a view that attracted vocal support from some right-wing groups.

    Citing public safety, the BLM retreated, suspending its operation and even handing back cattle it had already seized.

    No shots were fired during the stand-off, which Bundy's triumphant supporters swiftly dubbed the "Battle of Bunkerville," but the government's decision to withdraw in the face of armed resistance has alarmed some who worry that it has set a dangerous precedent and emboldened militia groups.

    "Do laws no longer apply when the radical right no longer agrees?" said Ryan Lenz, a writer for the Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors militia group activity.

    Armed Americans using the threat of a gunfight to force federal officers to back down is virtually unparalleled in the modern era, militia experts said. But the BLM, which says it is now pursuing legal and administrative options to resolve the dispute, has won praise for stepping back and avoiding violence.

    Energized by their success, Bundy's supporters are already talking about where else they can exercise armed defiance. They include groups deeply suspicious of what they see as a bloated, over-reaching government they fear wants to restrict their constitutional right to bear arms


    http://news.yahoo.com/nevada-ranch-s...203201587.html
    So what we had here is several armed men laying in wait for federal officials.
    Who was right here and who was wrong?
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    Even Glenn Beck disapproves of them:


    “We did some research online with PsyID today, and found that there’s about 10 or 15 percent of the people who are talking about this online that are truly frightening,” Beck said on his television program. “They don’t care what the facts are. They just want a fight.
    “We need to agree on, ‘we condemn those who use violence,’” Beck said. “Inciting violence doesn’t solve anything. I vehemently denounce anyone who even hints at such tactics.”
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    ROFLMAO!

    Ifin they were Islamofascists raping, murdering and sawing people's heads off in the Middle East, the Left would call them "FREEDOM FIGHTERS...."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    ROFLMAO!

    Ifin they were Islamofascists raping, murdering and sawing people's heads off in the Middle East, the Left would call them "FREEDOM FIGHTERS...."
    That's a load of crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    That's a load of crap.
    Not really.

    Go back and look.

    The Left DESPISES anyone who does not take knee to the Government.

    And yet...the very same people were referring to the Islamofascists as "Freedom Fighters..."

    You can call me a liar all you wish.


    That does not change reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    Not really.

    Go back and look.

    The Left DESPISES anyone who does not take knee to the Government.

    And yet...the very same people were referring to the Islamofascists as "Freedom Fighters..."

    You can call me a liar all you wish.


    That does not change reality.
    This his nothing more than your hyperpartsian opinion yet again..and it's bullshit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    Not really.

    Go back and look.
    The Left DESPISES anyone who does not take knee to the Government.
    And yet...the very same people were referring to the Islamofascists as "Freedom Fighters..."
    You can call me a liar all you wish.

    That does not change reality.
    This is not true... And the fact that you used the word "anyone" is key. Conservatives are far more likely to pigeonhole people and groups. Conservatives are the ones who pigeonhole people as "for us" or "against us" with nothing in between. All or nothing. Right or wrong. Look at the value conservatives place on the ridiculous Norquist pledge, which leaves no room for reason or variance.

    Liberals are the ones who recognize the grays in between the black and the white. So to say that liberals hold a given for for "anyone" who meets some condition automatically invalidates your argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    This is not true... And the fact that you used the word "anyone" is key. Conservatives are far more likely to pigeonhole people and groups. Conservatives are the ones who pigeonhole people as "for us" or "against us" with nothing in between. All or nothing. Right or wrong. Look at the value conservatives place on the ridiculous Norquist pledge, which leaves no room for reason or variance.

    Liberals are the ones who recognize the grays in between the black and the white. So to say that liberals hold a given for for "anyone" who meets some condition automatically invalidates your argument.
    ROFLMAO!

    YOUR Generalizations are 100% correct. But, umm, those, umm, "generalizations" from the people you "Generalize" are...not.

    LOL, I just love it when Libbies go to such lengths to illustrate their hypocrisy......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    ROFLMAO!

    YOUR Generalizations are 100% correct. But, umm, those, umm, "generalizations" from the people you "Generalize" are...not.

    LOL, I just love it when Libbies go to such lengths to illustrate their hypocrisy......
    What can I say? Reality has a liberal bias.

    I'm not saying that Liberals don't pigeonhole. I'm saying that they don't force everything into a binary dichotomy. Otherwise put, they don't push all perspectives onto one end or the other of a polar spectrum.

    And relating this to your argument:

    The Left DESPISES anyone who does not take knee to the Government.
    This is completely untrue. For example, consider Monsanto, backed in many ways by the government. Are you telling me there aren't legions of Liberals out there who consider Monsanto to be the most evil organization since the Third Reich?
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    Actually, Rorschach is right.

    Armed "militias" overthrow legitimate government of Libya and murder its President, Obama cheers like a moron, even after they tear to pieces the US Ambassador in Benghazi.

    Armed "militias" attack the legitimate government of Syria, again, Obama is smiling and clapping his hands.

    Armed "militias" overthrow the legitimate government of Ukraine, yet again, Obama is ecstatic.

    Yet, when armed pro-Russian "militias" rise up in East Ukraine, against the pro-American militias who illegally seized power in Kiev, they are demonized as terrorists, antisemites, etc.

    And now, Obama doesn't know what to do with militias in his own country. Maybe, shouldn't have supported this shit around the world. Now may get a taste of own medicine.

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