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    an interesting side note…..

    Jesse Sheidlower, a lexicographer and president of the American Dialect Society, is getting pretty fucking tired of journalists reporting on public officials’ profanities by dancing around the actual words instead of just coming out and saying them. For example, recently a U.S. Assistant Secretary of State said, “Fuck the E.U.” But pretty much every news outlet that appeared on it (except blogs, where the rules for this sort of thing are set on a site-by-site basis) avoided saying the actual word, using phrases like “a blunt expletive” or “a profane word,” not to mention classics like “f**k” or “f–k.” (Yes, I am aware of the irony of me saying this underneath a censored headline. See the previous parenthetical.)

    And Sheidlower’s had enough of this shit. In a New York Times op-ed this weekend, he makes the case that journalists should quote people verbatim and not try to protect readers’ delicate sensibilities because one of the words is considered offensive.

    Even when certain words are necessary to the understanding of a story, the media frequently resort to euphemisms or coy acrobatics that make stories read as if they were time capsules written decades ago, forcing us all into wink-wink-nudge-nudge territory.
    And, of course, the Times wouldn’t let Sheidlower use any “bad” words in his post.

    His point isn’t that reporters should go nuts with profanity, just that they should be able to stop treating their readers like fucking children, saying that even with some of the exceptions a few outlets give, “leeway is rarely granted.” He cites The Economist‘s style guide, which has perhaps the best take on how reporters should tackle swear words.

    Swear words
    Avoid them, unless they convey something genuinely helpful or interesting to the reader (eg, you are quoting someone). Usually, they will annoy rather than shock. But if you do use them, spell them out in full, without asterisks.
    The reasoning for most language censorship is that it’s meant to protect children, but here’s a thought: what child is actively perusing the New York Times that might come across an uncensored “fuck” and be scarred forever? And furthermore, if there was such a child actually taking the time to read the paper of record, don’t you think that makes them mature enough to handle a few cuss words?

    NY Times Op-Ed Says Journalists Should Stop Being So F*cking Uptight About Profanity | Mediaite

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    Ricky Gervais makes good money offending everyone in sight, but if you just want to make friends and not alienate people in America, here are 10 things to avoid. (Rex Features via AP Images)
    Admit it Britishers — subtly is not our strong suit, and it’s alarmingly easy to insult Americans if you’re unaware of their etiquette. To get on in polite company, try to avoid the following faux pas.

    10 Things That Brits Don?t Realize Are Offensive to Americans | Mind The Gap | BBC America

    Swearing
    Folks here tend to dismiss cursing as coarse and vulgar whereas, for Brits, it can signify affection or a well-rounded sense of humor. I have to confess, I don’t even notice how much I swear anymore — it must be getting on for every other word.

    Sex talk and toilet humor
    Like swearing, discussing what goes on between the sheets or on the loo is a lot less common among friends in the U.S. I only get to talk toilet trash when I’m back in the U.K., where I’ll happily spend an evening necking a full-bodied Rioja and discussing orifices.



    Friendly-offensive banter
    Brits exchange jovial insults because we’re too uptight and emotionally stunted to say how we really feel. The stronger your friendship, the more you can lay into each other and still come away with a warm feeling. This is not how Americans roll. Tell your U.S. pal he’s a moron, a twat or a daft f***, and you likely won’t get invited to his wedding.



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    I pause here for a word from my sponsor. The expression in question is known to every Canadian man, woman and child over the age of ten. It rhymes with truck, pluck, luck, duck and muck. It is quite often found in mainstream publications, but it is not a word I'm allowed to say on the radio without approval from on high. It's a bit different in Radio Canada, where the phrase is not all that uncommon.

    http://www.cbc.ca/thesundayedition/e...ver-profanity/
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    Quote Originally Posted by justagurlinseattle View Post
    ... His point isn’t that reporters should go nuts with profanity, just that they should be able to stop treating their readers like fucking children, saying that even with some of the exceptions a few outlets give, “leeway is rarely granted.” He cites The Economist‘s style guide, which has perhaps the best take on how reporters should tackle swear words. ...
    It has nothing to do with reporters; it's about readership. Newspapers are desperately trying to hang onto their subscribers. Between sensitive readers, and readers who may not be that sensitive, but would prefer not to have printed obscenities sitting on the kitchen table next to their five year-old, such a change would be devastating from a financial perspective.

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    I enjoy using profanity when it's called for. You can't beat the extra emphasis that the work fuck or a variant can give. But with some people, their overuse of it is just a sign of a limited vocabulary. And also there's a time and place for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    In all honesty, a food establishment is not the place for overt sexuality. Depending where one is of course, if at beach, thong bikini is okay, If in town, it is not.
    This is only common sense.
    Assless chaps okay in gay bar, perhaps occasional parade. Not sitting in the passenger seat in my car.
    I'll buy a pound of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    And also there's a time and place for it.
    That time and place are right fuckin' here and right fuckin' now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    I enjoy using profanity when it's called for. You can't beat the extra emphasis that the work fuck or a variant can give. But with some people, their overuse of it is just a sign of a limited vocabulary. And also there's a time and place for it.
    I agree. Doggone, oh drat, or holy cow just don't convey the same emotion as Fuck, Shit, Double Shit, Fuck, Fuck, Fuuuuuuuuuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justagurlinseattle View Post
    My daughter wears a tshirt to school that says….. You-Twat…..

    ON her notebook it says…. Fuck Math….

    when I went to the parent teacher meetings…. she said to the teacher…. I really fucking hate that….

    the teacher has been known to cuss in the classroom…..

    By the way…. It is REALLY hard for a kid too suspended from school here…. in fact, I am not even sure it happens….
    I know that language and cussing would NOT precipitate this….

    and yes, in professional conversations I hear Swedes use the word Fan/ Fuck all the time…….
    it actually means devil… But, is used as a cuss word fuck, and shit and damn all the time.,…
    I even hear it in English, Fuck….

    people here are just not that uptight about language….

    in Swedish school… the kids call the teachers by their first names…… WAYYY different from American school….
    You seem to cite these things with a sense of pride. Like it's a good thing.

    Some of us find that a little bizarre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    They were permanently kicked out for being gay after they ate and paid, rather than getting permanently kicked out for being gay before they ate and paid.

    Explain to me how this detail matters, when the crux of the issue is that they were permanently kicked out for being gay?
    Not for being gay. For being sexual in the restaurant. He serves gays. And he never said it was 'an abomination'

    He said he expects everyone to act like men and ladies. No women coming in 'with their ass showing' either.

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