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    Exclamation IRS tells Congress 6 more emails missing in tea party probe

    That is a total of 7 computers crashing and there are "no backups".

    IRS tells Congress 6 more emails missing in tea party probe, in addition to division leader's - 6/17/2014 1:26:59 PM | Newser

    This has went from incredibly improbable to who could possibly believe this shit?

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The Internal Revenue Service has lost more emails connected to the tea party investigation, congressional investigators said Tuesday.

    The IRS said last Friday it had lost an untold number of emails when Lois Lerner's computer crashed in 2011. Lerner used to head the division that handles applications for tax-exempt status.

    On Tuesday, two key lawmakers said the IRS has also lost emails from six additional IRS workers whose computers crashed. Among them was Nikole Flax, who was chief of staff to Lerner's boss, then-deputy commissioner Steven Miller.

    Miller later became acting IRS commissioner, but was forced to resign last year after the agency acknowledged that agents had improperly scrutinized tea party and other conservative groups when they applied for tax-exempt status. Documents have shown some liberal groups were also flagged.

    Investigators from the House Ways and Means Committee interviewed IRS technicians Monday. The technicians said they first realized that Lerner's emails were lost in February or March — months before they informed congressional investigators, said a statement by two top Republicans on the Ways and Means Committee, chairman Dave Camp of Michigan and subcommittee chairman Charles Boustany of Louisiana.

    The two lawmakers called on the Justice Department to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the IRS, something Attorney General Eric Holder has declined to do in the past.

    "It looks like the American people were lied to and the IRS tried to cover up the fact it conveniently lost key documents in this investigation," said the statement by Camp and Boustany. "The White House promised full cooperation, the commissioner promised full access to Lois Lerner emails and now the agency claims it cannot produce those materials and they've known for months they couldn't do this."

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    They might as well be saying the Tooth Fairy stole the emails.

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    My dog at my emails! 2 years worth + 6 other peoples emails too!

    Have you seen my dog?


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    So let's pretend that we live on the same planet where this is a remotely plausible possibility. Then why did it take a year for them to figure it out?

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    The story (stories) are getting ridiculous enough that i am wondering if it is getting distorted somewhere along the line.

    Is the IRS really saying that they should have the emails (by requirement/policy/law) and that they have actually lost them? Or that there are no emails because so much time has elapsed that the emails have been discarded??

    Color me confused....

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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    The story (stories) are getting ridiculous enough that i am wondering if it is getting distorted somewhere along the line.

    Is the IRS really saying that they should have the emails (by requirement/policy/law) and that they have actually lost them? Or that there are no emails because so much time has elapsed that the emails have been discarded??

    Color me confused....
    They expect us to believe that the only way to retrieve the emails is to go into Lois Lerner's personal computer. But, darn the luck, the thing crashed so they're lost.

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    How long are emails to be kept?

    Many Govt agencies keep paper and emails for 12 months...other may only keep for 6 months.

    I am not asking how long they SHOULD keep, which should be indefinitely as Terabyte back ups are cheap today, every year they could archive old storage..but I am asking how long are they required to keep emails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    They expect us to believe that the only way to retrieve the emails is to go into Lois Lerner's personal computer. But, darn the luck, the thing crashed so they're lost.
    It doesn't take an IT wizard to know that isn't how email works. It is a centralized backoffice service and the action doesn't happen on the workstation/laptop.

    Which is why i am at least a little suspicious the story could be getting twisted. Nobody is going to be so foolish as to claim 2 years worth of emails could be lost if the laptop harddrive crashed. Ridiculous on its face.

    So either the the email retention period expired and the content rolled off/was deleted (possible). Or multiple iterations of the backups somehow got deleted from SAN devices and/or magnetic tape (chances remote/miniscule unless it was intentional).

    Will be interesting to hear the first hand explanation from whoever is responsible for the Systems Department....

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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    It doesn't take an IT wizard to know that isn't how email works. It is a centralized backoffice service and the action doesn't happen on the workstation/laptop.

    Which is why i am at least a little suspicious the story could be getting twisted. Nobody is going to be so foolish as to claim 2 years worth of emails could be lost if the laptop harddrive crashed. Ridiculous on its face.

    So either the the email retention period expired and the content rolled off/was deleted (possible). Or multiple iterations of the backups somehow got deleted from SAN devices and/or magnetic tape (chances remote/miniscule unless it was intentional).

    Will be interesting to hear the first hand explanation from whoever is responsible for the Systems Department....
    There is a possibility her e-mails are stored on a digital tape and it failed, as well.

    Tape is notoriously unreliable as an incremental backup due to... it being a skinny strip of magnetic tape.

    Honestly this entire thing is too much "information" that tells us absolutely nothing relevant.

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    And this still gets a big who cares. Did you guys really expect to get to go on a fishing expedition with no evidence of probable cause, and it would go without a hitch? I'm not even saying that I necesarily believe that the emails are all "lost". But, you know whaqt? If you have some evidence, or reason to believe that some specific malfeasance occured, then tell the IRS when it happened, which emails, specifically, are suspect, and demand that they be produced.

    You don't get to go on a fishing expedition in the hopes that maybe you'll find a "Monica Lewinsky moment" with Obama.
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