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    Catalog of Rationales for Obama-Executive Not Using Ebola Isolation Plans

    Ebola is loose in Dallas, and possibly in several other U.S. Cites, yet we still haven't restricted flight INTO the Hot Zones in Africa, or begun placing returning people through a 6 week isolation - observation period in a remote location.

    Contagious Disease Surveillance | Virus Awareness | Ebola Map | HealthMap

    Statistics as of Oct 6, 2014:
    Guinea: 1199 cases, 740 dead, Population 11.8M
    Sierra Leone: 2437 cases, 623 dead, Population 6.1M
    Senegal: 1 cases, 0 dead, Population 14.1 M
    Liberia: 3834 cases, 2069 dead, Population 4.3M
    Nigeria: 20 cases, 43 dead, Population 173.3M
    DR Congo: 70 cases, 43 dead, Population 67.5M
    United States: 1 Case, 0 dead, Population 316.1M

    The "Plan" for dealing with the next Ebola major African Outbreak has been around and worked out for at least 30 years, and probably longer. The Military began doing exercises in how to airlift supply remote location isolation-observation portable camps as early as 1985, I know, I participated in them.

    The concept was to greatly limit the number of people allowed to fly into the Hot Zones, to just those who were essential aid-worker, Doctor, Researcher, or Security personnel. When rotation time came around, and these people needed to be pulled back to the U.S. they would be sent to a remote patch of Alaskan Tundra, or Nevada Desert, to live in a series of spaced out camps along an Airlift supply runway, with fuel, electricity, sewer, water, shelters, clean cloths, medical supplies, and food all brought in and dropped in exchange zones, and pulled by cables and aircraft tugs across a buffer zone, to be unpacked and used by each camp.

    The Camps would be phased, a new one starting each week, and after six weeks, those found clean, would be flown out to rejoin society. After several weeks fallow, an emptied camp would be thoroughly cleaned, and returned to service for a new weekly group.

    That was "The PLAN".

    We didn't do it!

    WHY!?

    Who has the Authority and Decides these things?

    Clearly this is an issue controlled by the Executive Branch, the President, and his appointed representative, the head of the CDC.

    The current head of the CDC is Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, the New York City health commissioner, appointed by President Obama in May, 2009:

    The CDC Director | About | CDC

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/he...5cdc.html?_r=0

    Like the Attorney General, the Head of the FCC, the Head of the FAA, the Head of the EPA, the Head of the FBI, and many other Cabinet Members, ....

    Dr. Frieden serves at the request and forbearance of the President, but with the advice and consent of Congress.

    Dr. Frieden has the authority and responsibility to set communicable disease isolation-quarantine protocols.

    If the country and/or the President is unhappy with the actions of a cabinet member, it the duty of the President to request the resignation, and select a replacement.

    The Buck Stops with the President Obama on this issue. Ultimately, President Obama is response for the advice and actions taken by his cabinet members and his Administration.

    So this Thread is designed to be a list or catalog of the various theories and/or Rationales for why America, the CDC, and the Obama Administration did NOT follow through with the planned response.

    So, the following pages will outline a series of possible rationales behind our abandoning the long held response plans to a new, major, Africa Ebola outbreak.

    Some of these rationales will be weak, vague, and incomplete.

    Some of these rationales will be offensive Conspiracy Theories, in the minds of some, but not all.

    Some of these rationales will be the opinions of some segments of the scientific community as to the danger presented by the outbreak, and our ability to
    control the hazard, but many on this forum will not agree with the assessment of control envisioned.

    All the theories I could find, will be presented in a very brief sketch, and the readers/posters are encouraged to discuss them, and add new items to the growing list of rationales.

    The rationales are not presented in any kind of logical order or hierarchy of believability. The order was somewhat determined by google searches return results of theories explaining the President's actions.

    The Question for Debate of the Thread:

    What do you believe is the Rationale being used by President Obama and his closest cabinet level advisers on the issue of Ebola, for abandoning the long held plans for Travel Restrictions and Returning Personnel Isolation?

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    00] It is simply not a threat. There is "Not even a smidgeon" of threat, Ebola is a moderate disease that presents no more threat than any other Flu, Virus, or Infectious Disease, therefore no special reaction is needed.

    01] While Ebola is dangerous, we have the medical technology to handle any volume of infected cases with advanced medical treatment which is so far in advance of the treatment used in Africa, that here in the United States, the mortality rate, spread rate, and decontamination can be handled with ease, and Ebola present no more threat here than say, Tuberculosis or Dengue fever.

    02] It is NOT Fair, that Africa should suffer such diseases, while the rest of the world if free of them, so for "Social Justice" reasons, the rest of the world needs to accept the burden.

    03] Africa was given huge incentives and investments in creating a tourism industry, and declaring any African country as quarantined, prematurely, would unfairly impact the needed tourism industry. Since the Death toll so far is only a few thousand out of a total population of hundreds of millions, it would be premature to block travel now, and unduly have a long range financial impact of the African Tourism Industry.

    04] If "The West" and the European descended high tech countries are not affected by Ebola, little to no research into treatments and vaccines will occur, so it is the President's moral Obligation to the People of Africa to insure than at least a few thousand Americans have the disease, to insure enough money will be spent on medical research.

    05] The Airline Industry makes allot of money by special chartered flights to Hot Zones, at top risk rates, to bring aid personnel in and out, and they have lobbied the Obama Administration with vast campaign contributions to insure travel continues, for their Corporate Profits.

    06] The American and other High Tech Country Pharmaceutical Companies stand to make obscene profits from the sales of new, experimental anti-viral treatments, IV Bag solutions, and vaccine dosages, due to a worldwide pandemic, and therefore have lobbied the Obama Administration with vast campaign contributions to insure travel continues, for their Corporate Profits.

    07] Obama is a secret Muslim, who is an American Saboteur, and is aiding and abetting ISIS Jihadist in a campaign to kill off large portions of the America Public, by creating a logical reason for Ebola to be loose in the United States, as cover for clandestine terrorist operatives, who will be selectively infecting target people within the U.S. in order to "Cut the Head and Hands Off" of the American Counter ISIS effort. There will be many cases of naturally spread Ebola, and hidden among them, in the mass death chaos, will be the select assassinations

    08] Obama has been shown secret, irrefutable Proof of Anthropomorphic Global Warming, which is about to become so extreme in climate variation as to wipe out all life on earth. America, with its Oil/Gasoline Based highly mobile society, is the world's greatest AGW threat, but also are the other G7 industrialized nations. The Ebola virus represents a particularly good opportunity to attack and kill of the majority of the populations of the AGW causing/guilty countries, and leave the Innocent and far more deserving people in 3rd world under developed countries largely untouched. Obama is work with high level Climate Scientists to distribute the plague to kill off the offenders, and make the "Mobile Lifestyle" feared, in order to save the majority of the Earth's human population from the certain universal death from Climate Change. His is killing a few bad people, to save the rest of the good people.

    09] Obama and God(Allah) hates White People, and wants them to die. Since most of America is white, welcoming Ebola into the United States is a case of Divine Assisted Retribution.

    10] Obama is just too stupid and incompetent to understand the risks he is forcing the nation to undergo.

    11] Obama and the Democrats in Congress WANTED to limit the Travel to/from the Hot Zones, but the Republicans, seeing many opportunities for corporate profit for the wealthy, Blocked all attempts.

    12] Obama wanted a reason to suspend the 2014 elections, which were likely to go against the Democrats, so he created a Pandemic to allow the declaration of Martial Law, and suspend Democracy... but his timing was a few weeks off.

    13] Ebola is a genetically engineered disease, like AIDS, designed to specifically kill Black people, by racial hate filled white people, and the White Doctor at the head of the CDC is the chief operative of the shadow assassin squad using bio-warfare against Blacks worldwide. (Louis Farrakhan)

    14] Obama cannot act, because God is keeping him dazed, so that America suffers divine retribution for its environmental sins against Mother Earth.

    15] America has had a complete cure and vaccine against Ebola for several decades, and it has already been given, disguised as a measles vaccine, to most Americans. The Plague will never happen here, because native born Americans are now all immune. We want the plague to grow and destroy all of the native people of Africa so that we can take the land for Hunting Preserves.

    16] The Illuminate are behind the entire Ebola outbreak, they have immunized themselves, and plan to kill off anyone not among their number.

    17] The Doctors at the CDC are the product of new politically corrected, and dumbed-down medical education and training, and simply don't know enough to accurately assess the threat.

    18] Ebola viruses are actually just the Earth-Space dimensional expression of vast trans-dimenstional demons, the largest and most ancient is Cthulhu. They plan to feed on our emotions of suffering. They are using telepathic mind control to prevent reasonable reaction. (I kid you not, this was actually from another forum! Worse, the poster want on and on, in a way that convinced most he was serious.)
    "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn" ("In his house at R'lyeh, dead Cthulhu waits dreaming.")

    19] President Obama and the CDC are vigorously reacting to the Plague, and hugely concerned about it, but know that a common citizen panic will make the spread of the virus much worse, so they are giving the impression of inaction.

    20] Obama doesn't care what happens to ordinary Americans. He and his family, and other wealthy people, will be safely sequestered, and his golf-game is simply more interesting.

    21] It is a long planned, vast Leftie Conspiracy by heroic, altruistic, socialist doctors and genetic engineers, to destroy those countries clinging to the obsolete process of capitalism, and a glorious new world based on Authoritarian Socialist Central Planning will arise from the gore spattered streets after the Red Death sweeps away the old world.

    22] Obama hates the West for its Sins of Colonialism, and is making U.S. pay for our crimes.

    23] They're not worried about Ebola because a large chunk of comet is about to strike the earth and kill all life not already sequestered in hidden underground, nuclear powered, hardened bunker, colonies of select people.

    24] Obama is the Anti-Christ and we are on the cusp of the end of days.

    25] Obama sees the death of a few million Americans as an acceptable price for maintaining continuous contact with long denied and discriminated against Africa.

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    Obama will blame Bush.
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    That evil Obama. You must pine away thinking what might have been if your boy RMoney could have gotten elected. Alas, it was not to be!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball View Post
    Obama will blame Bush.
    He already has.... but that doesn't really answer the question: "What rationale is being used by Obama to justify his actions?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurmugeon View Post
    He already has.... but that doesn't really answer the question: "What rationale is being used by Obama to justify his actions?"
    He doesn't have to justify his actions.....he is never held accountable. Just blame Bush and move on is his MO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurmugeon View Post
    Ebola is loose in Dallas, and possibly in several other U.S. Cites,...
    Would you please define "loose" in this context?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Would you please define "loose" in this context?
    loose
    lo͞os/
    adjective
    adjective: loose; comparative adjective: looser; superlative adjective: loosest

    1.
    not firmly or tightly fixed in place; detached or able to be detached.
    "a loose tooth"
    synonyms: not fixed in place, not secure, unsecured, unattached; More
    detached, unfastened, untied;
    wobbly, unsteady, movable
    "a loose floorboard"
    antonyms: secure, tight
    not held or tied together; not packaged or placed in a container.
    "wear your hair loose"
    synonyms: untied, unpinned, unbound, hanging free, down, flowing
    "she wore her hair loose"
    (of a person or animal) free from confinement; not bound or tethered.
    "the bull was loose with cattle in the field"
    synonyms: free, at large, at liberty, on the loose, escaped; More
    unconfined, untied, unchained, untethered, stray
    "there's a wolf loose"
    antonyms: secure
    not strict or exact.
    "a loose interpretation"
    synonyms: vague, indefinite, inexact, imprecise, approximate; More
    broad, general, rough;
    liberal;
    informalballpark
    "a loose interpretation"
    antonyms: literal, narrow
    not close or compact in structure.
    "a loose weave"
    typical of diarrhea.
    "many patients report loose bowel movements"
    2.
    (of a garment) not fitting tightly or closely.
    "she slipped into a loose T-shirt and shorts"
    synonyms: baggy, generously cut, slack, roomy; More
    oversized, shapeless, sagging, saggy, sloppy;
    unwaisted
    "a loose jacket"
    antonyms: tight, form-fitting
    3.
    relaxed; physically slack.
    "she swung back into her easy, loose stride"
    careless and indiscreet in what is said.
    "there is too much loose talk about the situation"
    synonyms: indiscreet, unguarded, free, gossipy, gossiping
    "loose talk"
    antonyms: discreet, guarded
    dated
    promiscuous; immoral.
    "she ran the risk of being called a loose woman"
    synonyms: promiscuous, of easy virtue, fast, wanton, unchaste, immoral; More
    licentious, dissolute;
    datedfallen
    "a loose woman"
    antonyms: chaste
    (of the ball in a game) in play but not in any player's possession.

    verb
    verb: loose; 3rd person present: looses; past tense: loosed; past participle: loosed; gerund or present participle: loosing

    1.
    set free; release.
    "the hounds have been loosed"
    synonyms: free, set free, unloose, turn loose, set loose, let loose, let go, release;

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    Then why are you saying that Ebola is "loose in Dallas," when per your definitions, it clearly is not "loose?" In fact, it's just the opposite: it's "contained."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Then why are you saying that Ebola is "loose in Dallas," when per your definitions, it clearly is not "loose?" In fact, it's just the opposite: it's "contained."
    Raaaaiiiiiight...

    And by that thinking, there are some other things "Contained" in Dallas... The smell in the Air, the gutter water, flies, mosquitoes, smoke, and rainbow ends.... and they will never, ever, EVER get out.

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