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    Indiana gov signs religious objections bill amid protests

    INDIANAPOLIS – Indiana Gov. Mike Pence vigorously defended the state religious objections bill that he signed into law Thursday as businesses and organizations including the NCAA pressed concerns that it could open the door to legalizing discrimination against gay people.
    Indiana gov signs religious objections bill amid protests | Fox News

    We have already protected gay people from legal prosecution and let them marry each other as we all do. I think it is time to think about the other party. Yes, they can be too conservative and backward for some of you but living in a democracy means taking into account different opinions. If they want to ban gays from their churches let them do. It means gays are coming to other churches that do not prohibit homosexuals to join them. I think it is rather fair.


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    A large exodus of investment, conventions and events no less weighty than the Super Bowl threatened over Arizona's similar measure.

    We'll see what happens now to Indiana, I guess. They've got a right to pass the laws they want to (though I expect some judicial review).

    When it's tarred in this kind of muck, they'll also have to decide if it's worth the economic cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anderson12 View Post
    Indiana gov signs religious objections bill amid protests | Fox News

    We have already protected gay people from legal prosecution and let them marry each other as we all do. I think it is time to think about the other party. Yes, they can be too conservative and backward for some of you but living in a democracy means taking into account different opinions. If they want to ban gays from their churches let them do. It means gays are coming to other churches that do not prohibit homosexuals to join them. I think it is rather fair.

    You don't need a state law to "ban gays from 'your' Church". The 1st amendment does that.[Freedom of Association]

    There has not been any case or ruling that any gay person be force to join anyone's church. That is just false or uniformed.
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    For myself, I have yet to see any clear definition of what this law does that existing federal legislation does not outside of "can say No to queer clientele."

    The talking points against this idea have been strong, but not everyone's following them.

    What's more, all amendments to specifically prohibit citing this law as a justification for singling out queer clientele have been rebuffed.

    Just read that the NCAA is considering changes on future events in Indiana. Won't affect this year's games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    For myself, I have yet to see any clear definition of what this law does that existing federal legislation does not outside of "can say No to queer clientele."

    The talking points against this idea have been strong, but not everyone's following them.

    What's more, all amendments to specifically prohibit citing this law as a justification for singling out queer clientele have been rebuffed.

    Just read that the NCAA is considering changes on future events in Indiana. Won't affect this year's games.
    You can be assure that students at member schools will start to put pressure on their schools to have the NCAA reconsider Indy as as final place for NCAA events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    You don't need a state law to "ban gays from 'your' Church". The 1st amendment does that.[Freedom of Association]

    There has not been any case or ruling that any gay person be force to join anyone's church. That is just false or uniformed.
    Yet people claim their beliefs are hampered when forced to do business with homosexuals. It is also church-related for them. And the 1st amendment cannot do that.
    I don't mind the US divided into a number of sub-regions, say, the North being gay friendly and the South remaining homophobic for now. The change is going too rapidly, conservative people of the South had no time to adapt and understand what's really going on. Let them be and decide for themselves whether gay marriages are necessary for them or not.

    Here is a map of cousin marriage law in this country (pretty diverse) and nobody seems to be pissed off:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anderson12 View Post
    Yet people claim their beliefs are hampered when forced to do business with homosexuals. It is also church-related for them. And the 1st amendment cannot do that.
    I don't mind the US divided into a number of sub-regions, say, the North being gay friendly and the South remaining homophobic for now. The change is going too rapidly, conservative people of the South had no time to adapt and understand what's really going on. Let them be and decide for themselves whether gay marriages are necessary for them or not.
    Bullshit. There is nothing 'Church related' in selling a cake.

    Bullshit #2. There is no 'learning curve' for civil rights. Stragglers can always at their own pace... at any time they choose...determine whether Same Sex Marriage is for them or not.

    The rest of the world will move along.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    A large exodus of investment, conventions and events no less weighty than the Super Bowl threatened over Arizona's similar measure.

    We'll see what happens now to Indiana, I guess. They've got a right to pass the laws they want to (though I expect some judicial review).

    When it's tarred in this kind of muck, they'll also have to decide if it's worth the economic cost.
    Money talks...and homophobic pander walks.

    Indiana will lose money and investments over this...and eventually, Republicans (who value money over pandering to bigotry when push comes to shove)...will repeal it.....if "quietly".

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