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  1. #11
    Senior Member
    Mar 2015

    The Antipodes
    Quote Originally Posted by webrockk View Post
    Had this consortium of idiots been successful, the door would have been opened for DUI victims to successfully sue automobile manufacturers and dealerships.

    There seems a propensity for those afflicted with collectivist mentality to apply fault to everything and everyone but the actual perpetrators of evil.

    (see: confederate flag flap)
    Next...after heinous crimes have been committed...the mothers of these people will be charged for failure to abort......

  2. #12
    Veteran Member TNVolunteer73's Avatar
    Nov 2014

    Good.. it serves them right.

    I think that the Theater should be sued because it forced Legal firearms carry permit holders to disarm themselves.

    Just think if 1 or 2 had been in the audience. the shooting might have been over in seconds with a lot fewer injured or killed.

    List of 16 mass shootings stopped by Armed Citizens - Illinois Tactical Blog

    Mass Killings Stopped by Armed Citizens

    There are several documented cases where armed citizens have stopped mass attacks by gunmen. Let me list a few: The Pearl, Mississippi school shooting was stopped by the vice principal Joel Myrick with a Colt .45, The Appalachian School shooting was stopped by two students with handguns. Both of the above incidents were stopped by the armed citizens threatening the shooter without firing.

    Pearl High School Link

    Appalacian Law School Link

    Plans to slay everyone in the Muskegon, Michigan, store and steal enough cash and jewelry to feed their “gnawing hunger for crack cocaine” fell apart for a band of would-be killers after one of their victims fought back.

    Muskegon Shooting Link

    The mass church shooting in Colorado Springs was stopped by the shooter being shot by a church member with a CCW permit.

    New Life Church Link

    The Santa Clara gunshop shooting in 1999 was stopped by an armed citizen after the shooter declared that he was going to kill everyone. Police found a list of intended victims in his car. Only the perpetrator, Richard Gable Stevens was shot.

    Santa Clara Gunshop Link

    The December, 1991, Aniston, Alabama defense where a CCW holder stopped armed robbers who were herding employees, customers, and his wife into a cooler. He shot both robbers, killing one.

    Aniston Shoney’s Shooting Link

    July 13, 2009, in Virginia at the Golden Food Market: The gunman tried to shoot several people, was stopped by a CCW carrier.

    Golden Food Market Shooting Link

    Just recently, in Early Texas, armed citizen Vic Stacy shot and stopped a deranged man who had just murdered two neighbors and was firing at police with a rifle. Stacy made a very long shot with his revolver, three times as far as the perpetrator was from the police officer, who had an AR-15 type rifle.

    Early Texas Peach House Shooting Link

    That sounds like a very good story… but it never made the national news.

    I wonder who made the decision to spike that story.

    Of course, when a mass shooting is stopped by an armed citizen, there are not as many victims. This leads to the charge that it would not really have been a “mass shooting”.

    I have added this incident at the request of a reader:

    Abraham Dickman had a history of anger against employees of the AT&T store in New York Mills, New York. On May 27th, 2010, he walked into the store with a .357 and a list of six employees. He shot the first employee, but was stopped from further attacks when Donald J. Moore, an off duty police officer who was allowed to carry his own handgun when not on duty, drew and fired his .40 caliber, killing Mr. Dickman before he could fire any more shots.

    AT&T store Link

    Here is another likely candidate.

    College Park, GA, May 4, 2009.

    Two gunman entered a party and ordered the men separated from the women. Then they started counting bullets. “The other guy asked how many (bullets) he had. He said he had enough,” said Bailey.

    When one of the assailants prepared to rape a girl, a student was able to access a handgun and engage the two attackers in a firefight, driving one off and killing the other before the thug could rape his girlfriend.

    “I think all of us are really cognizant of the fact that we could have all been killed,” said Bailey.

    College Park Link

    Another off duty police officer stopped the Trolley Square shooting with his personal handgun. He stopped the killing and contained the shooter until police reinforcements arrived and ended the situation.

    Trolley Square Shooting Link

    Winnemucca NV shooting, 25 May, 2008

    The shooter, Ernesto Villagomez, entered the Players Bar and Grill and killed two people. He reloaded and was continuing to shoot when a citizen with a concealed carry permit shot him and stopped the killing.

    Winnemuca Shooting Link

    Parker Middle School Dance Shooting

    14 Year old Andrew Jerome Wurst Killed one person and wounded three others when he was confronted by James Strand who subdued Wurst with a shotgun and held him until police arrived.

    Parker Middle School Dance Shooting LinK

    Destiny Christian Center Shooting, April 24, 2012

    Kiarron Parker rammed his car into another in the church parking lot, got out and attempted to kill multiple church members. He was only able to kill one before a member of the congregation, the nephew of the lady killed, and an off duty police officer, drew his handgun and shot Parker, stopping the killing.

    Destiny Christian Center Shooting LinK

    Tyler Courthouse shooting, 2005 While police officers were involved in this shooting before and after Mark Alan Wilson intervened, no more people were killed after he shot the shooter, who had body armor, and who was able to return fire and kill the CCW holder, Wilson.

    Tyler Courthouse Shooting Link

    From GUN WATCH: Mass Killings Stopped by Armed Citizens

    Clackamas (OR) Mall shooting in December 2012, where concealed carrier Nick Meli drew his weapon when he encountered the masked shooter. Meli decided not to immediately fire, fearing he might hit an innocent bystander. Instead, he moved to get into a better position. It is believed that the mall shooter glanced up and saw Meli moving to cover as he brought his weapon back into action. Fearing that he was about to be taken, he instead chose to use his next bullet to commit suicide.

    Clackamas Mall Shooting Link


    May 27, 2010
    Off-duty police officer Donald J. Moore stopped Abraham Dickan, a 79-year-old man who decided to shoot up an AT&T store in New York Mills, New York. Moore was in the store when Dickan entered brandishing a .357 magnum and a hit list of employees he planned to kill in his pocket. Moore heard Dickan’s gun go off, drew his own personal weapon, and killed Dickan on scene.

    One AT&T employee was injured in the shooting.

    8. The Clackamas Town Center shooting


    STEVE DIPAOLA / Reuters

    Dec. 11, 2012
    Two people were killed and a third was seriously wounded in Clackamas County, Oregon, when Jacob Roberts opened fire in a local shopping mall. Nick Meli, a shopper in the mall, drew a personally owned firearm on Roberts, who then retreated. Meli did not fire his weapon, for fear of striking bystanders.

    9. The San Antonio Theater shooting



    Dec. 16, 2012
    In December of last year, gunfire broke out in a San Antonio movie theater. Moviegoers rushed to exits and ducked for cover as a lone gunman, Jesus Manuel Garcia, began shooting in a China Garden that spilled over into an attached movie complex. The San Antonio Police Department were fired at by the gunman and had to evacuate and seal off the complex.

    The gunman was eventually shot and struck by an off-duty police officer, Lisa Castellano, who was working at the theater that night.

  3. #13
    Veteran Member
    Jan 2007

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony View Post
    Next...after heinous crimes have been committed...the mothers of these people will be charged for failure to abort......
    It's not their fault they did what they did. It's someone else or something else that is to blame.

  4. #14
    Veteran Member
    Nov 2009

    on the river
    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    This case is not insanity based on those areas they are likely basing the case around as parents:

    There are six exceptions to the blanket civil immunity provided by the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA):

    One of those 6 not covered by immunity is "an action brought against a seller for negligent entrustment or negligence per se" and it looks like that is what they built their suit around.

    Thing is though, I don't know how that applies to Internet sales. If I had to guess, I'd guess Internet dealers are not immune from being sued either. This would be a great discussion if any one of us were arms lawyers. LOL
    The plaintiffs would have had to prove the ammunition manufacturers KNEW James Holmes had a propensity for violence, then they would have had to prove they disregarded it. Tall order.
    Thanks from Minotaur

  5. #15
    Veteran Member Devil505's Avatar
    Jan 2008

    Mass and Florida
    Quote Originally Posted by webrockk View Post
    Had this consortium of idiots been successful, the door would have been opened for DUI victims to successfully sue automobile manufacturers and dealerships.
    Frivolous lawsuit
    Last edited by Devil505; 1st July 2015 at 03:19 PM.
    Thanks from webrockk

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