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    Illegal Alien Crime Wave

    Isn't government good to us.

    Illegal Alien Crime Accounts for over 30% of Murders in Many States - Breitbart


    Illegal Alien Crime Accounts for over 30% of Murders in Many States

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    Letís look at a few numbers. You havenít seen them in the New York Times, Atlanta Constitution, or the Miami Herald, nor have they been featured on NBC Nightly news or CNN. So, the average American is blissfully unaware of them.

    ē Between 2008 and 2014, 40% of all murder convictions in Florida were criminal aliens. In New York it was 34% and Arizona 17.8%.

    ē During those years, criminal aliens accounted for 38% of all murder convictions in the five states of California, Texas, Arizona, Florida and New York, while illegal aliens constitute only 5.6% of the total population in those states.

    ē That 38% represents 7,085 murders out of the total of 18,643.

    That 5.6% figure for the average illegal alien population in those five states comes from US Census estimates. We know the real number is double that official estimate. Yet, even if it is 11%, it is still shameful that the percentage of murders by criminal aliens is more than triple the illegal population in those states.

    Those astounding numbers were compiled by the Government Accountability Office (GAO) using official Department of Justice data on criminal aliens in the nationís correctional system.

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    Those astounding numbers were compiled by the Government Accountability Office (GAO) using official Department of Justice data on criminal aliens in the nation’s correctional system.

    Those astounding numbers are never linked to the actual GOA or DOJ JJP report. Maybe the Main stream media does not run these numbers because their readers are not dipshits.

    Show the actual reports. Link to the actual reports.

    Won't happen. Beietbart expects you to take their word for it.

    I want to see anyone find the actual report that has this statistic is part of its analysis:

    Between 2008 and 2014, 40% of all murder convictions in Florida were criminal aliens.
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    The mainstream media is covering this up. They are part of the problem, and shooting the messenger is the only answer the left has.
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    Can't push for amnesty if there is serious baggage associated with illegals. Dollar costs and crime must be smoothed over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    Those astounding numbers were compiled by the Government Accountability Office (GAO) using official Department of Justice data on criminal aliens in the nationís correctional system.

    Those astounding numbers are never linked to the actual GOA or DOJ JJP report. Maybe the Main stream media does not run these numbers because their readers are not dipshits.

    Show the actual reports. Link to the actual reports.

    Won't happen. Beietbart expects you to take their word for it.

    I want to see anyone find the actual report that has this statistic is part of its analysis:

    Between 2008 and 2014, 40% of all murder convictions in Florida were criminal aliens.
    It's Breitbart for heaven's sake. ;-)

    The Mythical Connection Between Immigrants and Crime - WSJ
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    Quote Originally Posted by excalibur View Post
    The mainstream media is covering this up. They are part of the problem, and shooting the messenger is the only answer the left has.
    If you don't have the links to the message...you have no message. That is the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by excalibur View Post
    Breitbart is full of shit, acolytes of Breitbart are even fuller of more shit.


    . Higher Immigration is Associated with Lower Crime Rates

    Between 1990 and 2013, the foreign-born share of the U.S. population grew from 7.9 percent to 13.1 percent and the number of unauthorized immigrants more than tripled from 3.5 million to 11.2 million.
    During the same period, FBI data indicate that the violent crime rate declined 48 percent—which included falling rates of aggravated assault, robbery, rape, and murder. Likewise, the property crime rate fell 41 percent, including declining rates of motor vehicle theft, larceny/robbery, and burglary.

    . Immigrants are Less Likely Than the Native-Born to Engage in Criminal Behavior

    A variety of different studies using different methodologies have found that immigrants are less likely than the native-born to engage in either violent or nonviolent “antisocial” behaviors; that immigrants are less likely than the native-born to be repeat offenders among “high risk” adolescents; and that immigrant youth who were students in U.S. middle and high schools in the mid-1990s and are now young adults have among the lowest delinquency rates of all young people.
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    In November 2013, NPR reported that U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) had been instructed by Congress since 2009 to fill 34,000 beds in detention facilities across the country with immigrant detainees every day. It was immediately apparent that this sort of inmate quota would never fly if applied to native-born prisoners. As the NPR story puts it: “Imagine your city council telling the police department how many people it had to keep in jail each night.” Clearly, such a concept has nothing to do with fighting crime or protecting the public. But when it comes to the detention (and deportation) of immigrants, very different standards of justice and reason are at work.

    For more than a century, innumerable studies have confirmed two simple yet powerful truths about the relationship between immigration and crime: immigrants are less likely to commit serious crimes or be behind bars than the native-born, and high rates of immigration are associated with lower rates of violent crime and property crime. This holds true for both legal immigrants and the unauthorized, regardless of their country of origin or level of education. In other words, the overwhelming majority of immigrants are not “criminals” by any commonly accepted definition of the term. For this reason, harsh immigration policies are not effective in fighting crime.

    Unfortunately, immigration policy is frequently shaped more by fear and stereotype than by empirical evidence, which is partly why immigrants are often treated like dangerous criminals by the U.S. immigration system. More precisely, immigrants have the stigma of “criminality” ascribed to them by an ever-evolving assortment of laws and immigration-enforcement mechanisms. From the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (IRCA) to Operation Streamline (launched in 2005), immigrants are being defined more and more as threats. Whole new classes of “felonies” have been created which apply only to immigrants, deportation has become a punishment for even minor offenses, and policies aimed at trying to end unauthorized immigration have been made more punitive rather than more rational and practical. Moreover, as a growing body of “crimmigration” law has reimagined noncitizens as criminals and security risks, immigration law enforcement has increasingly adopted the securitized approach of criminal law enforcement. In short, immigrants themselves are being criminalized. As prominent immigration scholar Douglas Massey has written with regard to the plight of unauthorized immigrants in particular, “not since the days of slavery have so many residents of the United States lacked the most basic social, economic, and human rights.”

    This report tackles the criminalization of immigration from two angles. First, it documents the fact that immigration is not associated with “crime” as it is commonly understood. For more than two decades, rates of violent crime and property crime have fallen in the United States as the immigrant population (including the unauthorized population) has grown. Moreover, immigrants are less likely than the native-born to be behind bars or to engage in typically “criminal behaviors.” Second, the report describes the ways in which U.S. immigration laws and policies are re-defining the notion of “criminal” as it applies to immigrants, while also ramping up the enforcement programs designed to find anyone who might be deportable. More and more, a zero-tolerance policy has been applied by the federal government to immigrants who commit even the slightest offense or infraction. “Crimes” which might result in a fine or a suspended sentence for natives end up getting immigrants detained and deported. This represents a double standard of justice for immigrants in which the scale of the punishment (detention and deportation) far outweighs the severity of the crime (traffic offenses, for example). Unfortunately, this double standard has been the guiding principle behind a litany of immigration-enforcement laws and programs, such as the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (IIRIRA), the 287(g) program, Secure Communities, and the “Consequence Delivery System” implemented by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) in 2011.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoiseBo View Post
    Nothing mythical at all . Very recently heard about another rape & murder of a woman. The myth is in the mind. The reality is out there in the streets. Whether illegals out kill Baltimore
    isn't the issue, they never should of been here. That which isn't here can't commit violent crime. Being here illegally is a crime in itself. Difficult concept for many.
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    Quote Originally Posted by excalibur View Post
    The mainstream media is covering this up. They are part of the problem, and shooting the messenger is the only answer the left has.
    The messenger is a liar with an agenda.



    . The outrages cited by Trump are outside the norm, to say the least. U.S. Rep. Henry Cuellar, D-Texas, pointed out last year, "The murder rate is actually higher in Washington, D.C., where I work, than in my hometown of Laredo, Texas, or other cities on the border like McAllen."*

    In 2011, El Paso, Texas, had the lowest crime rate ranking of any city with 500,000 or more residents. That is despite being just across the Rio Grande from Ciudad Juarez, Mexico—which in 2011 had the second highest murder rate of any city on Earth.*

    The same pattern shows up away from the border as well. In his extensive research on Chicago—a city Trump cited for its violent crime—Harvard sociologist Robert Sampson has found "a significantly lower rate of violence among Mexican-Americans compared to blacks and whites."
    Trump and the Myth of Immigrant Crime - Reason.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryPorter View Post
    Breitbart is full of shit, acolytes of Breitbart are even fuller of more shit.









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    So does this justify your tolerance and defense of illegals? Next you'll say that they don't cause a financial burden.

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