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    Do games make kids kill?


    Russian Boy Knifes Parents for Refusing to Let Him Play 'World of Warcraft'

    The Moscow Times
    Oct. 05 2015 17:00
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    А 15-year-old-boy in Russia's Chelyabinsk region stabbed his mother to death after she refused to let him play the “World of Warcraft” computer game, tabloid website LifeNews reported Monday.

    The boy's mother, a resident of Miass, died of her injuries after being stabbed multiple times with a kitchen knife on Sunday. The boy's father, who was attacked later that day when he returned from work, has been admitted to an intensive care unit, the report said.

    The teenager was reportedly forbidden from playing computer games after receiving a bad grade at school, LifeNews said.

    He was later found covered in blood wandering by a lakeshore, where he was planning to drown himself, the report said.

    Regional investigators confirmed in an online statement that a 15-year-old boy had been detained on suspicion of murdering his mother and stabbing his father.
    http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/a...ft/537074.html

    The family lived in the village Turgoyak, in the Miass area.

    The boy, Anton Sh. (full name, as always, not given in Russia media, and the photo blurred, as he is underage)


    He was a good student in humanities, especially history, in which subject he apparently even won a national All-Russia Olympiad.

    With his father in Moscow for the Olympiad


    But he lately began slipping in other subjects, especially math and physics, which his parents nagged him about. His best friend says Anton's parents were demanding about his grades, and punished him for bad grades by taking away his computer games.

    Svetlana Pavlova, the director (principal) of his school, says the boy always had an interest in computers and history. But more in computers.

    Overall, the family was well off, prosperous, by Russian country folk standards. Father had a successful business in Miass. Mom didn't work, a typical housewife of a wealthy man. The family could afford to travel for vacations, around Russia and abroad


    Yulia, a girl at Anton's school whom he had a romantic interest in, says he took her out to town, to Miass, to the movie theater, every weekend, not something a regular kid can allow himself in that part of the world; and always had cash in his pockets. Basically, money was no issue to him.

    He never showed any signs of addiction to games. But, when his mother took away his WoW, ordering him to study and do his homework instead, he apparently snapped. Stabbed her, to death. Than stabbed his dad, when he came home. dad is in hospital, unconscious.

    The kid, with his parents blood all over him, was found on the road near the lake by a police patrol in a car, who saw him, pulled up, and asked him who he was and what happened to him. The two cops say he answered, calmly, that he had just killed his parents. Whether or not he actually intended to himself commit suicide at that point is unclear. They took him to their station, and he is now being assessed by a psychologist.

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    Actually, by last update, the father, Denis Sh., has regained consciousness at the hospital. But he is in severe condition, with deep stabbing and slashing wounds to his hands and arms, chest, and throat, and serious blood loss. Neighbors are shocked by what happened. One neighbor, Vladimir Aliluev, says he never saw any problems with the family, never any noise complaints about them, no quarrels, good, solid family. Even that night, nobody heard anything out of order.
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    People are upset, because this is not the first such case in Russia.

    Other cases:

    In Tuapse, in the South, in 2010, a 14 year old kid beat his father to death with a sledgehammer after his parents took away his computer keyboard to stop him from playing games. He bashed his dad's head in while the man slept, and forced mom to give him the keyboard back: Russian Boy Allegedly Kills Dad Over Video Game Ban | Fox News

    City of Korolev, near Moscow, August 2012: 12 year old boy stabs father to death after a dad gets into argument with the boy, over his obsession with video games, and cuts the wires on the controler of his Xbox 360 console. The boy couldn't finish the game, it pissed him off, I guess, so he took that same knife, and stabbed his old man right in the heart. 41 year old Dmitry died at the scene.
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    Etc.

    And there was a case this year, of a 17 year old in Bashkortostan, who died after playing online games for 22 days straight: Russian Teenager Dies After 22-Day Gaming Marathon | News | The Moscow Times

    Many Russians are now convinced these games are as dangerous for youth as narcotics. Some municipalities are trying to ban them. But how?

    Video games for consoles are, at least, sold in actual stores in the real world

    You can, conceivably, shut them down.

    But the online computer games are somewhere in cyberspace, and kids are much more adept to navigating that space than the older officials.

    The danger seems real though. It's not just Russia, this has happened in America too, for example, in 2011, a woman was killed by her son in Philadelphia after taking his games away; Boy kills mother over PlayStation | Digital Trends


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    Don't blame a game when the real culprit is poor parenting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Locomotive View Post
    Don't blame a game when the real culprit is poor parenting.
    Games seem to be the common factor in all these cases though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Games seem to be the common factor in all these cases though...
    Isn't "Russia" another common factor in most of the cases you listed?
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    I played Call of Duty: Ghosts and didn't want to rush outside and stab people. It's not the games, it the parenting. Teach your kids right from wrong, and hold them accountable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Games seem to be the common factor in all these cases though...
    All kids play violent video games - or at least 99.9% of them do.

    So if video games really caused kids to become killers we'd have a nation of killer kids on our hands and we'd all be dead.

    I know I'm pointing out the obvious here. But it really is a ridiculous argument to blame video games. The real cause is a lot more complex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Games seem to be the common factor in all these cases though...
    True, but I'd still say poor parenting was a common factor as well, and one that had far more influence over the children's moral fiber (or lack thereof). IMO, a child should not only have a respect for life ingrained into their education from birth, but should also a healthy fear of their parents disciplinary actions.
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    I think video game addiction is real. Taking away a thing one is addicted to can trigger a violent reaction. If this kid was into board games at the same level and the parents took them away perhaps he'd have the same reaction? I think many studies have shown violent games in and of themselves don't cause violence. Environment, parenting, mental health, socialization etc.

    Maybe a kid who just sits around alone all day playing games wont develop healthy social bonds. That might be an issue but the games could be all candy and cake- same issue. If a kid plays My little Pony 10 hours a day in a messy room isolated from their peers it would probably have an adverse effect. I played video games a few years back as an adult and noticed a sort of anxiety if I stayed in all day playing games. It was one of the Skyrim games. I look back at it now and laugh but that thing had me hooked!! At no point did I think about using magical hands to burn people alive. It's fantasy. Most people can distinguish fantasy from reality.

    In other news, I think Japan has a lot of "video game rehabs". Here in the US we have stuff like this:

    How Video Game Addiction Can Destroy Your Life | VICE | United States

    I hate using VICE "news" but oh well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Locomotive View Post
    True, but I'd still say poor parenting was a common factor as well, and one that had far more influence over the children's moral fiber (or lack thereof). IMO, a child should not only have a respect for life ingrained into their education from birth, but should also a healthy fear of their parents disciplinary actions.
    I've seen too many cases in which parents want to be "friends" with their kids. Bad idea.

    Don't confuse "being friendly" with "being friends." Obviously, there's nothing wrong having fun with your kids. But parents need to remember at all times that the imbalanced dynamic between a parent and a child is different than the balanced dynamic between a child and a friend.

    If your friend asks you to clean up a spot on the kitchen floor, there's room for debate on the issue. If a parent asks you to do such a chore, it's not really "asking." It's an order being given by a parent to a child. And if you constantly treat your child as a friend, they'll grow up getting the wrong message, and your child will engage you in the bizarre dynamics that govern childhood friendships.
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    I wouldn't be so fast to dismiss the connection. Remember the Sandy Hook shooter? One of the things he did was reload after only using half a magazine. Not a tactical reload. He didn't keep the clips. That's behavior he learned from playing an FPS. Hell, the entire concept of a lot of those FPS games, going from room to room and shooting everyone in them, is pretty similar to a lot of mass shooting sprees.
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