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    Hmm, this is an interesting development, so you can say libs or repubs are assholes, but if you make it state-specific, it must be against the board rules...

    Correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Pretty horrible to have such a well educated man at one of the most prestigious institutions in the nation to have an opinion like that. I suppose you could argue that he doesn't know what he is talking about, has no experience but.....hahahaha
    Or, it could be argued that he is stating an opinion to further an agenda - isn't that the claim from the right on the opinions of climate scientists?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Wow, you can't get a better source than that.

    Pretty damning evidence for the freaks on the left.
    HAHAHAHA

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    Your "source" that you can't get better than exists for the sole purpose of combating "left wing propaganda". Presumably with their own right wing propaganda.

    Unfortunately, it appears that McHugh has decided to ignore the growing body of neurological and genetic research providing evidence of a biological basis for gender dysphoria. A 2009 study found a correlation between an increased number of a certain kind of sequence repeat in the Androgen Receptor gene and gender dysphoria. Another study in 2009 identified significant differences in cerebral grey matter structure in trans women who had yet to start hormone therapy when compared to cis men. In 2011, researchers noted that the structure of a sexually-dimorphic region of the brain, known as the intermediate nucleus, of trans women fell somewhere between cis men and cis women, while a similar difference was not noted castrated cis men. A 2013 functional brain imaging study of adolescents with gender dysphoria demonstrated a tendency for trans teens to perform more similarly to their identified sex (as opposed to their assigned sex) in a verbal fluency assessment, with similar correlation in brain activity during the assessment. Lastly, in 2013, a large study of monozygotic (identical) and dizygotic (fraternal) twins where at least one twin was transgender showed a far higher concordance of a diagnosis of gender dysphoria among monozygotic than dizygotic twins (33% vs 2.6%), which is strong indicator the existence of a biological factor in a trait. While much of the research into the biological aspects of trans people is still very new, Dr McHugh’s assertion that no evidence for a biological basis for trans identities demonstrates a deplorable ignorance of current medical research. McHugh then goes on imply that transgender surgeries do not improve the lives of trans people, and are actually causing harm: “It now appears that our long-ago decision was a wise one. A 2011 study at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden produced the most illuminating results yet regarding the transgendered, evidence that should give advocates pause. The long-term study—up to 30 years—followed 324 people who had sex-reassignment surgery. The study revealed that beginning about 10 years after having the surgery, the transgendered began to experience increasing mental difficulties. Most shockingly, their suicide mortality rose almost 20-fold above the comparable nontransgender population. This disturbing result has as yet no explanation but probably reflects the growing sense of isolation reported by the aging transgendered after surgery. The high suicide rate certainly challenges the surgery prescription.” McHugh, again, appears to selectively reading the literature to support his own agenda. It is first important to note that Dr McHugh is grossly misconstruing the findings of the Karolinka study. The study compared the mental health of post-surgical trans people with age-matched cisgender controls. The study itself posits absolutely zero link between gender confirming surgery itself and the mental health of these people, and the authors themselves caution against interpreting the data in such a way: “It is therefore important to note that the current study is only informative with respect to transsexuals persons health after sex reassignment; no inferences can be drawn as to the effectiveness of sex reassignment as a treatment for transsexualism. In other words, the results should not be interpreted such as sex reassignment per se increases morbidity and mortality. Things might have been even worse without sex reassignment. As an analogy, similar studies have found increased somatic morbidity, suicide rate, and overall mortality for patients treated for bipolar disorder and schizophrenia. This is important information, but it does not follow that mood stabilizing treatment or antipsychotic treatment is the culprit.”

    Clinging to a dangerous past: Dr Paul McHugh?s selective reading of transgender medical literature | The TransAdvocate
    McHugh specifically states that “no evidence supports the claim that people such as Bruce Jenner [sic] have a biological source for their transgender assumptions. Plenty of evidence demonstrates that with him [sic] and most others, transgendering is a psychological rather than a biological matter.” To make this claim, McHugh must ignore at least fifteen studies that have found exactly that kind of evidence showing a biological origin for transgender identities.
    The reason for this distortion may be McHugh’s clear intention to not only reject the mental health of transgender people, but to also counterract the meme of acceptance with one of stigma and rejection. “The idea that one’s sex is fluid and a matter open to choice,” he concludes, “is doing much damage to families, adolescents, and children and should be confronted as an opinion without biological foundation wherever it emerges.”
    McHugh ends by setting up the very kind of defensive posture utilized by Anderson and other conservatives seeking to prop up his unscientific views. “But gird your loins if you would confront this matter,” he warns. “Hell hath no fury like a vested interest masquerading as a moral principle.”
    But the masquerade is McHugh’s. His approach to transgender support — and his general antipathy to the entire LGBT community — has already been widely debunked. For example, he regularly claims that surgery does not support the mental health of transgender people, but he does so by citing a study comparing people who had surgery to people who weren’t even transgender. He also claims that transgender people are simply persuaded by culture that changing their body will solve their other psycho-social problems, which ignores the fact that many transgender people never undergo such surgeries.

    Meet The Doctor Social Conservatives Depend On To Justify Anti-Transgender Hate | ThinkProgress
    "Dr. Paul McHugh, retired from psychiatry at Johns Hopkins Hospital..."

    Dr. McHugh is a self-described orthodox Catholic whose radical views are well documented. In his role as part of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops' review board, he pushed the idea that the Catholic sex-abuse scandal was not about pedophilia but about "homosexual predation on American Catholic youth." He filed an amicus brief arguing in favor of Proposition 8 on the basis that homosexuality is a "choice." Additionally, McHugh was in favor of forcing a pregnant 10-year-old girl who had been raped by an adult relative to carry to term.

    If you want a detailed analysis of how Dr. McHugh has misrepresented data, rigged studies, left out significant details in his research, and is nothing more than a poorly regarded fringe element in his own field, you can read about it here, here, here, here, here, and here. No secular medical or mental-health organization agrees with him. Even his own (former) department denounced his stance in testimony before the Maryland Senate. Court cases looking at transgender medical issues have found his work unpersuasive.

    In short, Paul McHugh is the Mark Regnerus of transgender issues.

    Fighting Back Against Anti-Transgender Talking Points*|*Brynn Tannehill
    Man, if this guy and CNSNews are your impeccable sources, it's no wonder you're desperate to paint all trans people as mentally disordered. Because you're scared of us, you don't understand us, and the only strategy you have is to try to make everyone else as scared as you are.

    You're on the wrong side of history on this issue.

    It was amusing to watch the desperation of those opposed to SSM way back when, too.

    And look at how they are viewed now....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    However, the thread IS pointless. No one is reading it, except TR, and giving it ANY thought whatsoever. Just regurgitating the same things y'all say on the topic all the time.
    Nope, never thought about this topic at all.

    Yeppers, I decided to put my life and liberty at risk on a complete whim on a topic I know nothing about.

    I didn't spend years researching this because it felt like there was no other way.

    Nope, nope, nope... I thought, "wouldn't it be funny if I pretended to be trans so I could get harassed everyfuckingwhere I go, so my family could disown me, so I could be kept from my own daughter, so I could have a really difficult time finding a job, and so I could be completely fucking paranoid about something as simple as going to the bathroom?"

    Hi-fucking-larious, right?

    Because of that, I learned to do my absolute best to not use the restroom in public (especially alone) for fear of a similar fate befalling me. I have held my bowels so long that I no longer know I need to go until it is an absolute emergency. I have dreams where I’m using the bathroom and wake up to it actually happening, because my fear has resulted in my body not functioning normally.
    No person should have to suffer from these medical conditions because of the hatred others have for them. We are more scared of being in the bathroom with cisgender people (and for actual valid reasons backed up by fact) than cisgender people can ever be scared of us.

    Here's What Actually Happens When Trans People Use Public Restrooms
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    “...nobody really wants to be a trans woman, i.e. nobody wakes up and goes whoa, maybe my life would be better if I transitioned, alienating most of my friends and my family, I wonder what'll happen at work, I'd love to spend all my money on hormones and surgeries, buying a new wardrobe that I don't even understand right now, probably become unlovable and then ending my short life in a bloody murder.”
    ― Imogen Binnie, Nevada
    ...she figured out that she was such a mess not because she was trans, but because being trans is so stigmatized. If you could leave civilization for a year, like live in an abandoned shopping mall out in the desert giving yourself injections of estrogen, working on your voice, figuring out how to dress yourself all over again and meditating eight hours a day on gendered socialization, and then get bottom surgery as a reward, it would be pretty easy to transition.”
    ― Imogen Binnie, Nevada
    “It is an awful thing to be betrayed by your body. And it's lonely, because you feel you can't talk about it. You feel it's something between you and the body. You feel it's a battle you will never win . . . and yet you fight it day after day, and it wears you down. Even if you try to ignore it, the energy it takes to ignore it will exhaust you.
    ― David Levithan, Every Day
    “The hardest part has been learning how to take myself seriously when the entire world is constantly telling me that femininity is always inferior to masculinity”
    ― Julia Serano, Whipping Girl: A Transsexual Woman on Sexism and the Scapegoating of Femininity
    “In trans women's eyes, I see a wisdom that can only come from having to fight for your right to be recognized as female, a raw strength that only comes fro unabashedly asserting your right to be feminine in an inhospitable world.”
    ― Julia Serano, Whipping Girl: A Transsexual Woman on Sexism and the Scapegoating of Femininity
    “When the Majority of jokes made at the expense of trans people center on "men wearing dresses" or "men who want their penises cut off" that is not transphobia- it is trans-misogyny. When the majority of violence and sexual assaults omitted against trans people is directed at trans women, that is not transphobia- it is trans-misogyny.”
    ― Julia Serano, Whipping Girl: A Transsexual Woman on Sexism and the Scapegoating of Femininity
    “When did the skin on our bodies, the difference in our voice, or the direction our heart takes us decide whether or not we should have human rights?”
    ― Isabella Poretsis
    https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/transgender
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    “When the Majority of jokes made at the expense of trans people center on "men wearing dresses" or "men who want their penises cut off" that is not transphobia- it is trans-misogyny. When the majority of violence and sexual assaults omitted against trans people is directed at trans women, that is not transphobia- it is trans-misogyny.”

    ― Julia Serano, Whipping Girl: A Transsexual Woman on Sexism and the Scapegoating of Femininity
    I never even though about it those terms, but it's dead on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    I never even though about it those terms, but it's dead on.
    Notice the most vocal opponents of trans rights also tend to be the biggest misogynists. The reason they hate trans women so much is because femininity itself offends them, and a hundred times more so if a "guy" (by their crude and juvenile understanding) exhibits femininity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    I'm not inclined to believe that how one views oneself can ever be boiled down to specifics in that sense. I think psychiatry does it mainly because the surgery is irreversible and struggle to define transgenderism because they have to, lest they recommend it to someone who regrets it later. I think that's why they require transgender patients to live as a woman or man for a period of time before they are eligible to have the surgery performed, but I could be wrong about that.
    You are not wrong. I should know. I am currently going through the process of proving I have met these prerequisites:

    Criteria for metoidioplasty or phalloplasty in FtM patients and for vaginoplasty in MtF patients:

    1. Persistent, well-documented gender dysphoria;
    2. Capacity to make a fully informed decision and to consent for treatment;
    3. Age of majority in a given country;
    4. If significant medical or mental health concerns are present, they must be well controlled;
    5. 12 continuous months of hormone therapy as appropriate to the patient’s gender goals (unless
    hormones are not clinically indicated for the individual). [I've been on hormones 39 months]

    6. 12 continuous months of living in a gender role that is congruent with their gender identity. [On Nov 19 it will be 36 months]
    Although not an explicit criterion, it is recommended that these patients also have regular visits
    with a mental health or other medical professional. [I have regular physical and mental health checkups, as required for any trans person seeking surgery]

    Rationale for a preoperative, 12-month experience of living in an identity-congruent gender role:

    The criterion noted above for some types of genital surgeries—i.e., that patients engage in
    12*continuous months of living in a gender role that is congruent with their gender identity—is
    based on expert clinical consensus that this experience provides ample opportunity for patients to
    experience and socially adjust in their desired gender role, before undergoing irreversible surgery.
    As noted in section VII, the social aspects of changing one’s gender role are usually challenging—
    often more so than the physical aspects. Changing gender role can have profound personal and
    social consequences, and the decision to do so should include an awareness of what the familial,
    interpersonal, educational, vocational, economic, and legal challenges are likely to be, so that people
    can function successfully in their gender role.
    Support from a qualified mental health professional
    and from peers can be invaluable in ensuring a successful gender role adaptation (Bockting, 2008).
    The duration of 12 months allows for a range of different life experiences and events that may
    occur throughout the year (e.g.,*family events, holidays, vacations, season-specific work or school
    experiences). During this time, patients should present consistently, on a day-to-day basis and
    across all settings of life, in their desired gender role. This includes coming out to partners, family,
    friends, and community members (e.g.,*at school, work, other settings).

    Health professionals should clearly document a patient’s experience in the gender role in the
    medical chart, including the start date of living full time for those who are preparing for genital
    surgery. In some situations, if needed, health professionals may request verification that this
    criterion has been fulfilled: They may communicate with individuals who have related to the patient
    in an identity-congruent gender role, or request documentation of a legal name and/or gender
    marker change, if applicable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    The only reason I brought up the gay issue is that most of society has adapted to accepting gays without being able to understand why they're gay or how it feels to be gay. Gays were routinely considered freaks or perverts by people. For the most part we've gotten over that. But I bet you could easily find doctors and scientists on the internet who still argue that sexual orientation is a mental disorder.

    I hope to see a time when people afford the same respect to transgenders.
    Me, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coyote View Post
    You are not wrong. I should know. I am currently going through the process of proving I have met these prerequisites:





    Me, too.
    Did you ever hear of David Reimer?

    Horrifying case, but to me it just proves that gender identity comes from somewhere deeper than what other people want you to be or what kind of genitals you have. I can no more discount his feelings about his gender than I can with someone who is transgender. You can't know how they feel unless you're in their shoes.

    And the whole bathroom thing is misogyny too. Someone dressing up like a woman just to be in the same public restroom with cis women is absurd, but according to some, it's an impulse some men just can't control if they're allowed to do it. Plus, they could do that now, anyway.

    Next stop on the crazy train: Good guys with guns protecting women's restrooms from trannies!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coyote View Post
    You are not wrong. I should know. I am currently going through the process of proving I have met these prerequisites:





    Me, too.
    Like I wrote....DYSPHORIA is the psychiatric standard. Those who insist on "disorder" are immediately identifying themselves as reactionary.

    And yes, those who insist on "disorder" do come armed with an agenda.

    Often it is so juvenile as to boil down to transgender is icky and we don't LIKE it.

    Others it is misogyny......still.others it is a bigotry rooted in a false superiority drive.

    Regardless, it is a political agenda and has nothing to do with the actual science a psychiatric diagnosis is based on.

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