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    Know why I respect transgender people? Because, in my opinion, they are the bravest people in the world. I mean that.

    In my old country, this is what they face every day if they walk the streets as they are

    This and worse. In former Soviet Union, trans people often face horrible death for just being who they are: Georgian Transgender Activist Sabi Beriani Murdered and Immolated - Planet Transgender | Planet Transgender

    The Orthodox Church teaches this kind of violent hatred for these poor people, for no reason. Despite Georgia's recent political jerks towards the West, their Church remains firmly linked to the Russian Church

    Patriarch Kirill of Moscow (left) and Patriarch Ilya of Georgia.

    These good Christians, in Russia, Georgia, etc, teach their children that it is okay to spit, beat, and, yes, kill people for not acting in proper gender norms!

    These people get thrown into psychiatric institutions, without any real cause: The TransAdvocate | Psychiatric abuse of transgender people: a case from Russia

    Recently, the government banned them from DRIVING:
    Transgender Drivers Restricted in Further Act of Russian Oppression | Human Rights Campaign
    Now Russia makes transgender driving a criminal offence | Europe | News | The Independent

    I am half Armenian, an ethnic minority, we do get mistreated and disrespected for our ethnicity. But we have groups on our side, our own gangs, the Armenian mob

    People who fight back and defend us, basically.

    Gays, homosexuals, they are also beat up and brutalized by the law enforcement and such, but they too have activists who fight for them. AntiFA, the Russian anti-fascist, anti-racist, far left movement has entire groups who devote themselves to defending the gays


    Nobody is there to fight for the trans though, pretty much. Nobody wants to be associated with them.

    And yet, they come out and stand up for themselves: WATCH: Russian Lawyer Comes Out as Trans In Protest of Anti-LGBT Laws | Advocate.com

    These people are executed in Muslim countries: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkiHks7XFho

    And if you think this shit is only in Russia, Georgia, or Middle East, here is what the life of trans people is like in America:
    WATCH: Atlanta Trans Women Beaten on Train as Bystanders Film | Advocate.com
    Transgender Woman Beaten and Fatally Shot After Being Attacked by at Least 5 Men : People.com
    Transgender woman attacked for 2nd time this year in S.F. - SFGate
    Cops: Transgender Woman Brutally Attacked In Jackson Heights, Queens CBS New York
    These Are the Trans Women Killed So Far in the U.S. in 2015 | Advocate.com

    Do you expect me to feel fucking sorry for you, that you are having trouble learning a few words on the internet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    Or not immediately know every correct term - 'biologically male' got me in huge trouble.

    Why should I bother (as I have) to learn as I go if I will be smacked for each error?
    here is the one that just killed me...

    alright...on a make up site where there is a section for men to discuss issues with make up, tips ,tricks and such...where any of the women who were legitimately helping were allowed to participate.

    my boutique has a transwoman who helps the men who come in asking for the about the same advice. I asked one day if since she understands the issues would come in and help they men with their questions... It is after all a forum about the brand.

    OMFG... you would have thought i shot her. I got back... I am not a man, why would i go into a mens section to help men out? WTF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    It's as personal to her as it is me when someone is hurt. I am an empath - you probably don't know what that is. ...
    I do know what it is, and you're not one. You're not "sensing emotions." You're just emotionally sensitive when you see people expressing emotions. You can't "sense" emotions - you see and hear the results. And without these visual and auditory stimuli, you're as blind as a bat to emotions.

    Calling yourself an "empath" suggests that you need a special name for noticing when people are happy, sad, etc. Or that you're identifying with Star Trek characters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    I do know what it is, and you're not one. You're not "sensing emotions." You're just emotionally sensitive when you see people expressing emotions. You can't "sense" emotions - you see and hear the results. And without these visual and auditory stimuli, you're as blind as a bat to emotions.

    Calling yourself an "empath" suggests that you need a special name for noticing when people are happy, sad, etc. Or that you're identifying with Star Trek characters.

    EXACTLY!!!



    the kicker is... IF somebody on this thread was an actual Empath.. they would NOT NEED somebody to explain to them
    the PAIN they are causing another human being... They would SENSE this psychically and feel it physically, NO EXPLANATION
    would be needed.

    on the OFF chance an empath was having a bad day, they would ONLY need to be told ONCE
    that they are hurting another HUMAN beings feelings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justagurlinseattle View Post
    EXACTLY!!!



    the kicker is... IF somebody on this thread was an actual Empath.. they would NOT NEED somebody to explain to them
    the PAIN they are causing another human being... They would SENSE this psychically and feel it physically, NO EXPLANATION
    would be needed.

    on the OFF chance an empath was having a bad day, they would ONLY need to be told ONCE
    that they are hurting another HUMAN beings feelings.
    Wincing when a movie character gets kicked in the nads does not make one an empath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justagurlinseattle View Post
    Ok... at least be HONEST... you are NOT trying to learn... you are NOT making mistakes... YOU are fucking with somebody..

    YOU.. for whatever reason, don't want to learn the language and YOU have already
    admitted that YOU think it is a MENTAL ILLNESS... That is all I needed to know about you.

    If you REALLY wanted to learn, then the FIRST time somebody said it was HURTFUL
    to the Transgender community and the supporters of this community, when
    people CHOSE to mis-gender Caitlynn, YOU would have stopped. YOU keep doing it, OVER and OVER and OVER..

    Yeah.. see, I got YOUR number..

    You were told this OVER and OVER and OVER... Now, you are just toying with Coyotes feelings..


    You are NO DIFFERENT from those "mean' girls you talk about.. except they will admit they do it for sport..
    YOU on the other hand, play innocent.
    While I love your passion, I would point out that no one here has not treated her with less than gender appropriate language and respect.

    Thanks to YOU, and YOU alone by explaining the concept without all the hysteria and attitude helped me to understand the whole "trans-woman" woman thing which I find counter intuitive, but thanks to you I am using this terminology even if it seems to play into a fantasy more than reality. Frankly when little Miss Hysterics rants on the issue, I loose any interest in taking anything she has to say seriously. YOU did more for her cause on this issue than she ever achieved. Well done!

    Not accepting Bruce's "transformation" has nothing to do with her. She has openly stated that even the TG community resents his exploitation of their unique situation for personal gain.

    Those of us who agree with the TG community on Bruce are attacked because we are not part of that community?! So it's a case of "we can do it but don't you dare?"

    Do you think this double standard is fair, or that because someone "mis-genders" a person whom she has never met and whom she herself can't stand, can claim any insult if people agree with her?

    That is just nuts don't you think? This one problem with her argument and presentation which draws conflict.

    I made a point of respectfully highlighting a known trans-woman activist and speaker to include links to her work in this thread as a counterpoint to Bruce - which were blown off in favor of defending Bruce.

    I haven't seen anyone here disagree that TG persons should be protected by special laws, no one has disagreed with me on providing special health care or counseling to help reduce suicide - even hard righties who don'e believe in most social programs haven't attacked my belief that special laws and health programs should be made available to the TG community, to include gender reassignment surgery if necessary to help these people.

    The two complaints our tg expert has is a disagreement on the use of gender and identity.

    One side believes that "gender" is based on biology while "identity" is based on the various forces, any and all you can think of that would cause a person to "identify" as something other than their biological gender. Short of gender reassignment surgery, biology is what it is. Nobody has argued that a person's right to choose their sexual identity is in question. Why isn't important, only that they are.

    This is how medical professionals see it, it's how Police see it, it's how social security sees it.

    Why is it so odd that average people would see it the same way? I've never had an intelligent answer to this question.

    The second issue is Miss-gendering. We are not mind readers, if we see a chicken, we think "chicken." If we see a duck, we think "duck." If we see what fits the average of as male, we address them as a "male" because 99% of the guys out there would be offended at being MISS-GENDERED. This makes it hard on the teeny tiny 1% admittedly but is this miss-gendering intentional or is it simply a response based on experience with the 99% of the population who are not TG?

    It doesn't help to have a hysterical phsyco freak out in your office because she is "miss-gendered." This only serves to set a bad example of "who" tg people are. I think that if a little humor and sweetness would go along way towards building bridges and gaining support.

    So in all, not much grounds for all the angst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justagurlinseattle View Post
    EXACTLY!!!



    the kicker is... IF somebody on this thread was an actual Empath.. they would NOT NEED somebody to explain to them
    the PAIN they are causing another human being... They would SENSE this psychically and feel it physically, NO EXPLANATION
    would be needed.

    on the OFF chance an empath was having a bad day, they would ONLY need to be told ONCE
    that they are hurting another HUMAN beings feelings.
    I've known many a mother with the magical ability to someone KNOW when their child was in need, or up to something....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snikitz View Post
    While I love your passion, I would point out that no one here has not treated her with less than gender appropriate language and respect.

    Thanks to YOU, and YOU alone by explaining the concept without all the hysteria and attitude helped me to understand the whole "trans-woman" woman thing which I find counter intuitive, but thanks to you I am using this terminology even if it seems to play into a fantasy more than reality. Frankly when little Miss Hysterics rants on the issue, I loose any interest in taking anything she has to say seriously. YOU did more for her cause on this issue than she ever achieved. Well done!

    Not accepting Bruce's "transformation" has nothing to do with her. She has openly stated that even the TG community resents his exploitation of their unique situation for personal gain.

    Those of us who agree with the TG community on Bruce are attacked because we are not part of that community?! So it's a case of "we can do it but don't you dare?"

    Do you think this double standard is fair, or that because someone "mis-genders" a person whom she has never met and whom she herself can't stand, can claim any insult if people agree with her?

    That is just nuts don't you think? This one problem with her argument and presentation which draws conflict.

    I made a point of respectfully highlighting a known trans-woman activist and speaker to include links to her work in this thread as a counterpoint to Bruce - which were blown off in favor of defending Bruce.

    I haven't seen anyone here disagree that TG persons should be protected by special laws, no one has disagreed with me on providing special health care or counseling to help reduce suicide - even hard righties who don'e believe in most social programs haven't attacked my belief that special laws and health programs should be made available to the TG community, to include gender reassignment surgery if necessary to help these people.

    The two complaints our tg expert has is a disagreement on the use of gender and identity.

    One side believes that "gender" is based on biology while "identity" is based on the various forces, any and all you can think of that would cause a person to "identify" as something other than their biological gender. Short of gender reassignment surgery, biology is what it is. Nobody has argued that a person's right to choose their sexual identity is in question. Why isn't important, only that they are.

    This is how medical professionals see it, it's how Police see it, it's how social security sees it.

    Why is it so odd that average people would see it the same way? I've never had an intelligent answer to this question.

    The second issue is Miss-gendering. We are not mind readers, if we see a chicken, we think "chicken." If we see a duck, we think "duck." If we see what fits the average of as male, we address them as a "male" because 99% of the guys out there would be offended at being MISS-GENDERED. This makes it hard on the teeny tiny 1% admittedly but is this miss-gendering intentional or is it simply a response based on experience with the 99% of the population who are not TG?

    It doesn't help to have a hysterical phsyco freak out in your office because she is "miss-gendered." This only serves to set a bad example of "who" tg people are. I think that if a little humor and sweetness would go along way towards building bridges and gaining support.

    So in all, not much grounds for all the angst.
    Who would "fantasize" about being transgender? I doubt most of those people chose it, chose to be treated like shit for it too. I believe them that they are born with it. I just don't see any other reasonable explanation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    I do know what it is, and you're not one. You're not "sensing emotions." You're just emotionally sensitive when you see people expressing emotions. You can't "sense" emotions - you see and hear the results. And without these visual and auditory stimuli, you're as blind as a bat to emotions.

    Calling yourself an "empath" suggests that you need a special name for noticing when people are happy, sad, etc. Or that you're identifying with Star Trek characters.


    Riker had good taste.
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    Riker had good taste.
    Star Trek was on TV when I still lived in Moscow lol Next Generation and Voyager too. Even in Russian translation, I thought Deanna Troi was the number one woman up there. Never understood those who had a thing for that Seven of Nine. She is a Bird, a half robot, for God's sake, what passion could she bring to your bed, none. May as well have sex with a mannequin lol

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