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    Stolen Valor: Wrong Decision

    IMO this decision is very wrong. Would like to hear what our resident military vets think.

    Ex-Marine Can Wear Medals He Didn?t Earn. A Court Calls It Free Speech.
    A federal court in California has ruled that a former Marine can wear service medals he did not earn, saying that displaying them was a form of free speech.

    The case involving Elven Joe Swisher, an Idaho man who enlisted in the Marines after the Korean War, touched on a sensitive issue that has wound through Congress and the courts, and has been scrutinized by groups dedicated to confirming when people, either motivated by profit or status, claim to be military heroes but are not.

    On Monday, the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit in San Francisco ruled that Mr. Swisher, who was honorably discharged from the Marines in 1957, had the right to wear the medals, including the Purple Heart and the Silver Star, even though he had not been awarded them.
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    It's a travesty and does a disservice to those that earned the medals. However, freedom of speech is guaranteed by the 1st Amendment. I think that it is despicable.
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    The idea that it's protected free speech is questionable since it's fraud. But SCOTUS addressed that and basically even fraudulent speech can come under 1st amendment protection. Unless it's "defamation, perjury, fraud aimed at getting valuable goods or services, unsworn lies to government officials about official matters, and lies that claim that one is a government official or is speaking on behalf of the government". credit Eugene Volokh for that list.
    Legality aside, only a real lowlife would claim military service and/or awards they didn't earn. And the veteran community will always work tirelessly and zealously to expose them.

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    Won't protect them from beat downs.
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    Bad enough that civilians who never served can act like they won military awards.

    Even worse that former military wears things they did not earn.

    You would think former servicemen would be better than that.

    Most are, but there's always a few...
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    I guess impersonating a law enforcement officer is protected free speech now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    Bad enough that civilians who never served can act like they won military awards.

    Even worse that former military wears things they did not earn.

    You would think former servicemen would be better than that.

    Most are, but there's always a few...
    Veterans instinctively have a special contempt for guys who lied about what they had done. Most vets I know don't really care for guys who brag about their service even if they're telling the truth. The reason for both is because we all know that no matter what you've done, there are graveyards full of guys who sacrificed more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webrockk View Post
    I guess impersonating a law enforcement officer is protected free speech now.
    Actually, impersonating a commissioned officer is a felony in most states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    Veterans instinctively have a special contempt for guys who lied about what they had done. Most vets I know don't really care for guys who brag about their service even if they're telling the truth. The reason for both is because we all know that no matter what you've done, there are graveyards full of guys who sacrificed more.
    Agree.

    I have seen many interviews with Medal Of Honor winners.

    When asked they ALWAYS say they are not heroes, that the REAL heroes are the ones who did not come back alive.

    Every single time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Actually, impersonating a commissioned officer is a felony in most states.
    this court has deemed it "free speech"

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