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    Well it's nice to know you think it's right to hang people for pursuing freedom and self government. I on the other hand do not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BYG Jacob View Post
    Not when you rebel and take up arms against your former government. That is the definition of treason.
    No - the definition of treason is taking up arms against your current government - not a former one.

    Washington did not take up against his government. He was fighting for his own government - which was elected by the people who chose to part ways with the British King and establish their own self-governing body.

    I see a difference in treachery and then standing up to tyranny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    Again - the States that seceded were still the same states Lee pledged allegiance too. Just because they declared their independence, that doesn't suddenly mean they weren't part of the oath Lee took - when they obviously were.

    Yes - the confederate States seceded and formed another union of States. But they were still the same states Lee had pledged to protect in his oath.
    No they weren't, they were part of a different country, and yes, that's exactly how it works. You're either in, or you're out and get nothing.

    Again, no they weren't. They were part of a different country rebelling against the United States. Once they seceded they were no longer part of his oath, and after Sumter they should have been his enemy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BYG Jacob View Post
    No they weren't,
    Yes they were...

    You can keep repeating that states like Virginia were not the same states that Lee pledged to defend in his oath if you want. But they obviously were. And you pretending that they weren't doesn't change that.

    Virginia did not just magically create itself when the confederacy was formed. It was there all along - and was one of those united states that Lee had pledged to defend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BYG Jacob View Post
    Not when you rebel and take up arms against your former government. That is the definition of treason.
    And are directly responsible for killing over half a million of your former countrymen, not to mention the civilian casualties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    No - the definition of treason is taking up against your current government - not a former one.

    Washington did not take up against his government. He was fighting for his own government - which was elected by the people who chose to part ways with the British King and establish their own self-governing body.

    I see a difference in treachery and then standing up to tyranny.
    Rebelling against your current country and forming your own country is treason. And, regardless of his cause, he still committed treason. If he lost he would have rightfully been hung as a traitor in London. Doesn't make a difference, it's still treason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    Yes they were...

    You can keep repeating that states like Virginia were not the same states that Lee pledged to defend in his oath if you want. But they obviously were. And you pretending that they weren't doesn't change that.

    Virginia did not just magically create itself when the confederacy was formed. It was there all along - and was one of those united states that Lee had pledged to defend.
    You seem to think the many Virginia's citizens didn't fight on the side of the North which they took an oath to do. Was it right for him to essentially sentence his fellow state citizens to death because they actually took their oath seriously?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    Yes they were...

    You can keep repeating that states like Virginia were not the same states that Lee pledged to defend in his oath if you want. But they obviously were. And you pretending that they weren't doesn't change that.

    Virginia did not just magically create itself when the confederacy was formed. It was there all along - and was one of those united states that Lee had pledged to defend.
    They obviously weren't. They left the union, they get nothing. Obviously not, but once you they broke the union and seceded they were no longer part of the United States, and no longer part of his oath. After Sumter, the CSA should have been his enemy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BYG Jacob View Post
    Rebelling against your current country and forming your own country is treason..
    Says you. Not me.

    If the majority of the people living in a place want to create their own self-governing society - than I do not consider that treason at all. I consider that freedom and self government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BYG Jacob View Post
    Rebelling against your current country and forming your own country is treason. And, regardless of his cause, he still committed treason. If he lost he would have rightfully been hung as a traitor in London. Doesn't make a difference, it's still treason.

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